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why atheists care so much about religion
    #7789487 - 12/22/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7789505 - 12/22/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So then...it appears that the problem is NOT religion, but authoritarianism and discrimination.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7789533 - 12/22/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not necessarily but it sure does piss a lot of people off and it adds some fuel to the fire. Maybe if Christianity wasn't being pushed on people atheists/agnostics wouldn't care so much.

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7789562 - 12/22/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe if Christianity wasn't being pushed on people atheists/agnostics wouldn't care so much.

if religion wasn't pushed on people, it probably would not exist.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7789576 - 12/22/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe if Christianity wasn't being pushed on people atheists/agnostics wouldn't care so much.



Maybe so, but I also see a lot of evangelistic atheists who attack believers for believing in something other than materialism, rather than simply for forcing their views on others. If someone is an atheist, I have no problem with that. If someone is a Christian, I have no problem with that. When either of them gets aggressive with their beliefs, then it becomes a problem for me.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: wilshire]
    #7789599 - 12/22/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe if Christianity wasn't being pushed on people atheists/agnostics wouldn't care so much.

if religion wasn't pushed on people, it probably would not exist.



I'm sure that explains why Christianity grew so fast at a time when its followers were being fed to the lions.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7789612 - 12/22/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Wolfgang said:
Maybe if Christianity wasn't being pushed on people atheists/agnostics wouldn't care so much.



Maybe so, but I also see a lot of evangelistic atheists who attack believers for believing in something other than materialism, rather than simply for forcing their views on others. If someone is an atheist, I have no problem with that. If someone is a Christian, I have no problem with that. When either of them gets aggressive with their beliefs, then it becomes a problem for me.




So you have problems with the issues in the video too then, right?

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7789617 - 12/22/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Of course. And as I pointed out, all the issues in the video are issues of authoritarianism and discrimination, which I am firmly against.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7789684 - 12/22/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Wolfgang said:
Maybe if Christianity wasn't being pushed on people atheists/agnostics wouldn't care so much.



Maybe so, but I also see a lot of evangelistic atheists who attack believers for believing in something other than materialism, rather than simply for forcing their views on others.  If someone is an atheist, I have no problem with that.  If someone is a Christian, I have no problem with that.  When either of them gets aggressive with their beliefs, then it becomes a problem for me.




Are you referring to events IRL, or on these boards?  Where are "evangelistic" atheists attacking believers IRL?  Do you see religion as being under attack?  :confused:

In the world I've been observing for the past few decades, so-called Christians have been pushing their beliefs on the nation, trying to make them part of our educational system, making many of them into laws, and even going as far as killing those who practice what they consider "sinful." 

I haven't seen any attacks on believers in these forums, either.  Many of the IDEAS proposed as TRUTHS by believers have been rather disrespectfully disputed, but that is what P&S is about.  If you attack the poster, you're flaming.  If you attack the ideas, you're debating.

IMO, the only reason atheists or agnostics care about religion is that they do not want to follow the "rules" proposed by the religious.  :shrug:

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Veritas]
    #7789689 - 12/22/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I haven't seen any attacks on believers in these forums, either. Many of the IDEAS proposed as TRUTHS by believers have been rather disrespectfully disputed, but that is what P&S is about. If you attack the poster, you're flaming. If you attack the ideas, you're debating.



Many people work their way around this rule by attacking groups of people rather than individuals. Overall, I just see a lot of disrespect going around.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7789700 - 12/22/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"Attacking" a group is still not flaming.  If someone chooses to identify themselves AS a group, then they may feel offended by disrespect shown to that group.  It comes back to an issue which has been discussed here before: do we OWE respect to beliefs, or must they earn it by their own merits?

IMO, the entire point of philosophical debate is to find out which beliefs can EARN respect, not to pay some sort of debt of respect to whatever beliefs are espoused--that's the other forum.  :wink:

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Veritas]
    #7789715 - 12/22/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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"Attacking" a group is still not flaming.



Where did I even mention flaming? I'm talking about people being disrespectful.

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do we OWE respect to beliefs, or must they earn it by their own merits?



Beliefs do not deserve to be accepted blindly, but all viewpoints should be addressed respectfully rather than condescendingly, so long as the other party is willing to extend the same respect. It's a matter of maturity, IMO, and I don't think it shows much maturity to push your viewpoint as being superior or to denigrate the viewpoints of others. Dissing others' views is not the same as arguing against them. The former shows a real lack of maturity, and that is the evangelism I am referring to.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7789748 - 12/22/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported.




Respect for ideas which one sees as faulty and irrational? No.

Respect for the right of other posters to hold ideas which one sees as faulty and irrational? Sure.

Rules as to whether someone's debating style is (based on the perception of one's debating partner, apparently) condescending, superior or disrespectful? No, thank you.

Tiptoeing around someone else's sensitivity to having their beliefs disputed is simply not in keeping with the intention of this forum, nor the intentions of the study of philosophy. Any belief is fair game.

Oh, and just for clarity:

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Evangelism
1. Zealous preaching and dissemination of the gospel, as through missionary work.
2. Militant zeal for a cause.




How is this expressed via disrespect for religious groups?


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7789771 - 12/22/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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why atheists care so much about religion




Because we are caring people. :yesnod:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7789846 - 12/22/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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all viewpoints should be addressed respectfully




Why? I don't think respecting the views of a holocaust denier or racist shows any signs of maturity. Not all beliefs are equal. If you have good reasons for your beliefs, then I will respect them. If you do not have good reasons for your beliefs, then I will not respect them. If your beliefs cause you to harm others unnecessarily, then I will definitely not respect them.

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7790277 - 12/22/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry but I tend to lose respect for people who go on the supernatural. They are like kids that believe in Santa Claus.

If you try to explain the world with an imaginary friend... you are nuts and 100% against reason. If you are against reason and go on faith... go fuck yourself.

I'll laugh when you get cancer and start praying to your God... and die.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7790386 - 12/22/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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all viewpoints should be addressed respectfully




Why? I don't think respecting the views of a holocaust denier or racist shows any signs of maturity. Not all beliefs are equal. If you have good reasons for your beliefs, then I will respect them. If you do not have good reasons for your beliefs, then I will not respect them. If your beliefs cause you to harm others unnecessarily, then I will definitely not respect them.




Does being disrespectful make what you believe anymore appealing they to the person you're disagreeing with? I agree we shouldn't respect people like holocaust deniers, pedophiles and racists but to get mad at good people that just believe stupid shit isn't right. That doesn't help anything, except maybe make YOU feel better... Don't you care about people and helping them seek the truth? They'll never hear it if you disrespect them.

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7792131 - 12/23/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The only respectable opinion is agnosticism. If you aren't agnostic, then you are in a fairy tale land. No one knows and to say you know that there is a God or you know there isn't a God isn't logical in the slightest.

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Azen]
    #7792140 - 12/23/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

god is made by humans, thats why prayer doesnt work and miracles arent real

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7792146 - 12/23/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

but all viewpoints should be addressed respectfully rather than condescendingly,

Like the Nazi parties ideas of the extermination of the Jews?


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Azen]
    #7792148 - 12/23/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The only respectable opinion is agnosticism.  If you aren't agnostic, then you are in a fairy tale land.  No one knows and to say you know that there is a God or you know there isn't a God isn't logical in the slightest.




I'm with you on this one.:thumbup:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Icelander]
    #7792209 - 12/23/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
but all viewpoints should be addressed respectfully rather than condescendingly,

Like the Nazi parties ideas of the extermination of the Jews?



Would calling a Nazi names do any good for the public debate?


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7792590 - 12/23/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

as much good as respecting them


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7792687 - 12/23/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Atheist said:
god is made by humans, thats why prayer doesnt work and miracles arent real




prayer always works as it is defined today by most religions

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7792882 - 12/23/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
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Icelander said:
but all viewpoints should be addressed respectfully rather than condescendingly,

Like the Nazi parties ideas of the extermination of the Jews?



Would calling a Nazi names do any good for the public debate?




What does this have to do with disrespecting their ideas? Yes, they may be so identified with their beliefs that they take it personally, but this is not the same as "calling them names."

Disrespect for an individual is not allowed in this forum, and I think that this allows for a "cleaner" debate. If someone really wants to flame, they can take it to OTD. Disrespect for espoused beliefs, asserted claims, proposed ideas, etc...is the essence of philosophical debate. Each idea must survive or die upon its' own merits, not because we MUST express respect or else.

I will freely admit that I do not have respect for the idea that there is a God who cares whether we perform certain behaviors, who created us (and everything else) from nothing, who will effect punishments upon those who digress from his stone tablet of rules. This idea is absurd to me, as it is evidenced nowhere in perceptible reality.

Should I feign respect for ideas which have no basis in reality? Should we all be forced to show respect for beliefs in which we see no merit? This concept is anti-progress, anti-exploration and anti-knowledge. Why not test and try and, yes, DISRESPECT, the status quo according to others? What have we accomplished thus far by "respecting" what others claimed to be real and true, philosophically?

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7793444 - 12/23/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so a church burned down across my street


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7793449 - 12/23/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One less to go :laugh:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7794532 - 12/24/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol...

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7794557 - 12/24/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

omg(g stands for gosh)... you're SOO DEMENTED!!! MAUAHAHAHA HA

It was kinda sad, I'll take a picture and post it tomorrow. They had the roads blocked off this morning but I had a chance to see it on the way home tonight. It's a huge church and basically the roof and stained glass all burned down.

It's quite a sight. I could just imagine what everyone was thinking when they were trying to goto church this morning. Damn satan.


But I saw Walk Hard tonight, had some good chuckles.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Veritas]
    #7800496 - 12/26/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Veritas said:
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Silversoul said:
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Icelander said:
but all viewpoints should be addressed respectfully rather than condescendingly,

Like the Nazi parties ideas of the extermination of the Jews?



Would calling a Nazi names do any good for the public debate?




What does this have to do with disrespecting their ideas?  Yes, they may be so identified with their beliefs that they take it personally, but this is not the same as "calling them names." 

Disrespect for an individual is not allowed in this forum, and I think that this allows for a "cleaner" debate.  If someone really wants to flame, they can take it to OTD.  Disrespect for espoused beliefs, asserted claims, proposed ideas, etc...is the essence of philosophical debate.  Each idea must survive or die upon its' own merits, not because we MUST express respect or else.

I will freely admit that I do not have respect for the idea that there is a God who cares whether we perform certain behaviors, who created us (and everything else) from nothing, who will effect punishments upon those who digress from his stone tablet of rules.  This idea is absurd to me, as it is evidenced nowhere in perceptible reality.

Should I feign respect for ideas which have no basis in reality?  Should we all be forced to show respect for beliefs in which we see no merit?  This concept is anti-progress, anti-exploration and anti-knowledge.  Why not test and try and, yes, DISRESPECT, the status quo according to others?  What have we accomplished thus far by "respecting" what others claimed to be real and true, philosophically?




I agree Veritas.:thumbup::thumbup::mushroom2:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Icelander]
    #7800611 - 12/26/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps we just have different ideas of respect. For me, it's just a matter of being humble enough to recognize that the other person's ideas, no matter how strange they may seem, may carry some truth, and that your own ideas, no matter how confident you feel about them, may not be correct.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7800619 - 12/26/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't disagree with that but it does have limits for me. I won't respect things I believe harmful, especially if it seems self-serving and purposefully harmful. Yet I do know I might be wrong about it. That's just the chance I will live with on certain issues. But in general your stance is a good one.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Silversoul]
    #7800816 - 12/26/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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So then...it appears that the problem is NOT religion, but authoritarianism and discrimination.





True..........but both are fueled by religion, in some shape form or fashion.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7800824 - 12/26/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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So then...it appears that the problem is NOT religion, but authoritarianism and discrimination.





True..........but both are fueled by religion, in some shape form or fashion.




yes yes yes yes


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Azen]
    #7800837 - 12/26/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The only respectable opinion is agnosticism.  If you aren't agnostic, then you are in a fairy tale land.  No one knows and to say you know that there is a God or you know there isn't a God isn't logical in the slightest.




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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7800845 - 12/26/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There were MANY valid points in that video that I had taken for granted.

Religion is probably the scariest thing I can think of right now................'cept for being outa weed :crankey:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Azen]
    #7805475 - 12/27/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The only respectable opinion is agnosticism. If you aren't agnostic, then you are in a fairy tale land. No one knows and to say you know that there is a God or you know there isn't a God isn't logical in the slightest.




I agree... for the most part, I'm somewhere between agnostic and atheist myself. But we shouldn't disrespect people that just believe illogical shit, that won't help anything. Maybe their opinion isn't worth respecting but they are, most theists/atheists are still good people we shouldn't cuss anyone out for what they believe.

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7805587 - 12/27/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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god is made by humans, thats why prayer doesnt work and miracles arent real




Prayer has an effect on some things but that doesn't mean gods doing it, maybe prayer it's just positive thinking/energy.

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7805602 - 12/27/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

positive thinking, yeah i guess....energy? i doubt it

whats the difference between thinking in your head and praying? nothing, its all in your head

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7805660 - 12/27/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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positive thinking, yeah i guess....energy? i doubt it

whats the difference between thinking in your head and praying? nothing, its all in your head




There is evidence that positive thinking has an affect outside of your head. I remember hearing about this study the participants pushed a button and a computer randomly generated either a "1" or a "0" and it was up to the participant to try to get a certain number and they saw it DID help, using only their minds they did make a difference.

I heard of another study where they again had random number generators and this time they placed them in well populated areas and roughly 2 hours before extreme events like 9/11, the pope dying, etc they saw that the numbers began to show a pattern. This didn't happen when the random number generators when placed in remote areas away from large numbers of people.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7805749 - 12/27/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

how can what i think affect anything, it is physically impossible :justdontknow:

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7806176 - 12/28/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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how can what i think affect anything, it is physically impossible :justdontknow:




The brain is an amazing, electro-magnetic organ. I can see where, with the right concentration (prayer), the mind can effect the world around it.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7806230 - 12/28/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7806252 - 12/28/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Why is there no chance that what we think can have an affect outside of our heads, even when there's evidence that suggests otherwise?

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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7806308 - 12/28/07 12:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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lol




Group meditation has been proven to effect the world in more than one study.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7806318 - 12/28/07 12:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Group meditation

This is just one example of meditation (prayer) that has had a positive effect on the world IRL


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7806426 - 12/28/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Could you possibly find a more flawed and biased study?


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7806738 - 12/28/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There were many studies that I found. That just happened to be the first one.

Regardless of what study I find you won't believe the results...........so why bother?

There have been several studies around the world about this..........they cant all be B.S.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7806756 - 12/28/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not an atheist or agnostic (anymore), but even when I was, I had no problems claiming and pretending I was christian to make certain social meetings go smoother, and to put on a facade that got me farther than I would have gotten as a non-believer.

Actually, I still pretend to be a good christian to this very day whenever it is to my advantage.  It seems the gullibility knows no limits  :wink:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7806855 - 12/28/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

here have been several studies around the world about this..........they cant all be B.S.


And why not?


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Icelander]
    #7807105 - 12/28/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

because of the Proof of The General Rule.

or was that the Fallacy Of The General Rule? oops.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Icelander]
    #7807172 - 12/28/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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here have been several studies around the world about this..........they cant all be B.S.


And why not?




You get 100 studies showing something is going......on then there is more than enough evidence to assume that the thing may be real.
It is the scientific way of things. If enough evidence points toward meditation working.............then it works.


This is far from the OP which talked about Religions major influence over our government, which I agree is happening and this is a BAD thing.

Weather prayer/meditation works or not.....is a whole different topic.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7807300 - 12/28/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You said several and not 100 and you could do a thousand flawed, biased studies and only prove a bias. All the studies I have seen have been flawed and proven so. I am open to seeing some good ones if you can show any.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7807316 - 12/28/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Apparently you just post shit without doing any research.

The study you posted was done by TMers (transcendental meditation) trying to prove TM works to recruit more people.

That is MAJOR FLAW #1.

No metric or timeline was stated ahead of time.

That is MAJOR FLAW #2.

The timeline and selected data was backfitted to accomplish the aim of the study.

That is MAJOR FLAW #3.

I could go on, but this study is so pathetic to be as to be useless.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7807334 - 12/28/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Kind or reminds me of the studies I used to do while in school.:lol:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7807336 - 12/28/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my, your brutality is so sexy!


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7808497 - 12/28/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What does any of this have to do with religions influence on political decisions????

Which is what the OP was about.


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