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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7805749 - 12/27/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

how can what i think affect anything, it is physically impossible :justdontknow:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7806176 - 12/28/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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how can what i think affect anything, it is physically impossible :justdontknow:




The brain is an amazing, electro-magnetic organ. I can see where, with the right concentration (prayer), the mind can effect the world around it.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7806230 - 12/28/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

lol


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7806252 - 12/28/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why is there no chance that what we think can have an affect outside of our heads, even when there's evidence that suggests otherwise?


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7806308 - 12/28/07 12:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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lol




Group meditation has been proven to effect the world in more than one study.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7806318 - 12/28/07 12:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Group meditation

This is just one example of meditation (prayer) that has had a positive effect on the world IRL


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Edited by niteowl (12/28/07 12:54 AM)


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7806426 - 12/28/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Could you possibly find a more flawed and biased study?


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7806738 - 12/28/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There were many studies that I found. That just happened to be the first one.

Regardless of what study I find you won't believe the results...........so why bother?

There have been several studies around the world about this..........they cant all be B.S.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Atheist]
    #7806756 - 12/28/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not an atheist or agnostic (anymore), but even when I was, I had no problems claiming and pretending I was christian to make certain social meetings go smoother, and to put on a facade that got me farther than I would have gotten as a non-believer.

Actually, I still pretend to be a good christian to this very day whenever it is to my advantage.  It seems the gullibility knows no limits  :wink:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7806855 - 12/28/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

here have been several studies around the world about this..........they cant all be B.S.


And why not?


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Icelander]
    #7807105 - 12/28/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

because of the Proof of The General Rule.

or was that the Fallacy Of The General Rule? oops.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: Icelander]
    #7807172 - 12/28/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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here have been several studies around the world about this..........they cant all be B.S.


And why not?




You get 100 studies showing something is going......on then there is more than enough evidence to assume that the thing may be real.
It is the scientific way of things. If enough evidence points toward meditation working.............then it works.


This is far from the OP which talked about Religions major influence over our government, which I agree is happening and this is a BAD thing.

Weather prayer/meditation works or not.....is a whole different topic.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7807300 - 12/28/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You said several and not 100 and you could do a thousand flawed, biased studies and only prove a bias. All the studies I have seen have been flawed and proven so. I am open to seeing some good ones if you can show any.


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Edited by Icelander (12/28/07 12:38 PM)


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: niteowl]
    #7807316 - 12/28/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Apparently you just post shit without doing any research.

The study you posted was done by TMers (transcendental meditation) trying to prove TM works to recruit more people.

That is MAJOR FLAW #1.

No metric or timeline was stated ahead of time.

That is MAJOR FLAW #2.

The timeline and selected data was backfitted to accomplish the aim of the study.

That is MAJOR FLAW #3.

I could go on, but this study is so pathetic to be as to be useless.


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7807334 - 12/28/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Kind or reminds me of the studies I used to do while in school.:lol:


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7807336 - 12/28/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

my, your brutality is so sexy!


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Re: why atheists care so much about religion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7808497 - 12/28/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What does any of this have to do with religions influence on political decisions????

Which is what the OP was about.


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