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Christoph
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I want to try out DMT.
#7789203 - 12/22/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So i want to smoke some DMT for the first time ever. And i was wondering what i need to get setup so i can make my own crystals.
I think im going to use this tech: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6931010/page/1/fpart/1/vc/1
Or is there another tech a newbie like me should follow? All advice is appreciated.
Peace
Edited by Christoph (01/16/08 11:39 AM)
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7789208 - 12/22/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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thats the easiest way to do it.  personally though i would skip the ammonia wash. ive heard so many bad stories of brown gunk left over after an ammonia wash.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: waixingren]
#7789237 - 12/22/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Make sure you smoke it properly. When I did it, I was stupidly wasted and didnt "break through." I kinda felt like I was rolling for 30 mins. and that was it. Unfortunately, I tried it again the next day preoperly, but to no avail b/c of my tolernace from the previous day.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: cappincrunk]
#7789254 - 12/22/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can smoke dmt again within 10 minutes. any tolerance is gone fairly quickly.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: waixingren]
#7789292 - 12/22/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dunno. Thats strange. I did it with a friend and he fractaled out with just 3 hits and I was baseline the whole time.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: waixingren]
#7789294 - 12/22/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well whatcha waiting for?
This is by far the easiest tek ive seen, this was found at mycotopia.
Loochypooch Tek
Required Items:
- Any amount of MHRB (preferrably 100+g) - Roebic Drain Cleaner (Basic Lye) - VM&P Naptha (Non-Polar Solvent) - Distilled Water
Tools:
- Turkey Baster - Stainless Steel Utensil - Glass Pie Dish - Quart Jars with Lids
Note: You will need one quart jar for each cup of MHRB powder (100g of MHRB is about 1 cup powder).
Step 1: Prepare Bark
1) Break and twist up the MHRB by hand into as small pieces as possible, no need to hurt your hands. Use plyers if the bark is tough.
2) Put a handful of the broken up MHRB into the blender to turn it to powder.
3) Empty the powder from the blender into a bowl or large measuring cup and repeat blending until all of the powder is ready.
Step 2: Mix Jars
1) First, add two cups of distilled water to each empty quart jar.
Note: Put on goggles and rubber gloves for this part...
2) Add three tablespoons of Lye to each jar.
3) Stir the liquid gently with the stainless steel utensil.
4) Slowly and gently add 1 cup of MHRB powder to each jar.
Be careful not to splatter or spill.
5) Stir the powder gently until it is absorbed evenly and it turns black.
6) Add 150ml-300ml of Naptha, just leave enough room to shake contents.
7) Wipe the tops of the jars and put the lids on, then shake vigorously.
Let the jars sit overnight (8-12 hours should do probably), shake every now and then....
Step 4: Syphen Naptha
1) Syphen the Naptha off the top using the Turkey Baster and squirt it into the glass Pie Dish, being extremely careful to get only the clear Naptha and no black gunk (lye).
2) Add more Naptha to the jar and repeat this step a total of 3x.
Step 5: Evaporate Naptha
1) Put a fan next to, or a Dehydrator over the pie dish filled with Naptha. When it is dried out there will be white crystals everywhere. Continue to dry until no Naptha is smelled.
NOTE: By making the soaks only 12 hours long (maybe less, like 8?) and using thick layers of naptha to obtain easy and pure pulls, the resulting crystals should be very clean and further processing unecessary. Also this tek is for low quantities so keep in mind additional washes could decrease the yield to unacceptable levels. My friend says 100g MHRB produced 20 mind blowing experiences without any harshness.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: cappincrunk]
#7789308 - 12/22/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So is this all the info i need to get good DMT? And could someone pm me a good place to shop for "dried Mimosa hostilis root bark"
"The Lazy Mans Guide to Extracting Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark by Vortex A report and guide for a new way of extracting MHRB
Extraction Time: 1 gm in 2.5 hrs, 4 gm in 7 hr, 7.5 g total @48 hrs from Mexican MHRB Inner Root Bark
Equipment: 5 Litre ceramic or stainless steel mixing bowl, stainless stell Potato masher, 2000 ml measuring cup, Large flat glass baking pan, Fan, VM&P Naphtha; hardware store, NaOH sodium hydroxide; online auction, often listed as Red Devil Lye.
Foreword:
This process is much simpler than all of the other DMT extraction teks for Mimosa hostilis root bark. All you need to do is throw pieces of root bark into water which has had a measured amount of NaOH/sodium hydroxide dissolved into it, wait an hour, add naphtha, stir for a few minutes and then pour the naphtha off into a collection container for evaporation. In essence that is all there is to this tek. No need to fuss with acidifying the root bark for a defat, no pH papers needed, no separatory funnel, nothing fancy yet this is a very effective technique with higher yields than any other method out there yet.
Here is a more detailed explanation of the extraction method using a half kilo of root bark:
Break 400 to 500 grams of Mimosa hostilis root bark, whether inner, outer or whole root into small enough pieces all of it will fit into a large ceramic or stainless steel mixing bowl with enough room left over to only fill the bowl half way to the top. Next, completely dissolve 200 grams of NaOH/sodium hydroxide into 2000-3000 ml of tap water and add to the root bark.
Wait an hour for the lye/sodium hydroxide to soften up the root bark and then using a stainless steel potato masher stir and mash the base adjusted water into the pieces of root bark for 20-30 minutes and then pour in 250+ ml of naphtha into the bowl and mix for another 20-30 minutes. After you are done mixing the root bark let it sit for a few minutes so that any emulsion which might have stirred up into the solvent to settle out and then just pour the majority of the solvent off of the top of the basified aqueous mix into a large flat glass baking pan and evaporate with a fan blowing air across the top of the fluid to net 600-1000 mg of alkaloid in just a few hours.
Is there any easier process to extract and isolate that much alkaloid in two to three hours from a pound of root bark? Although the initial yield will be much higher if extracting powdered root bark which takes much less time, whole or broken root bark can also provide high yields if you wait two or three days for the hard strips of bark to turn into a mush as the NaOH breaks it down further and further over time in the basified solution for a higher extraction yield. If waiting 24 hours and performing a single extraction the broken root bark the basified aqueous mix will still need to be extracted over again three or more times to get more of the DMT alkaloid out. That's it, a very simple process with yields others have reported to be much higher than the more often used A-B or acid to base teks. With dried Mimosa hostilis root bark the DMT is already in the form of a salt as is and there are so little plant fats many people simply do not bother with a defat cycle so going strait to base chemical works out very well with this material."
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7789710 - 12/22/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I advise this tek:
http://tribes.tribe.net/ethnobotany/thread/bddc25e3-aeca-418d-811b-a46bbbc5d603
It's the one I've always used, it's easy and yields very pure white fluffy crysals. couple of things to change in it though: I've always gotten really pure crystals so I've never used the ammonia wash in the end Also the times on the tek are a bit exaggerated, I can get finished product from scratch in under 24 hours. You really don't have to leave the naptha in the solution for 4 hours, I usually only leave it for like 10 minutes, but I also do 2 complete extractions to get everything out of the MHRB, usually out of a pound of MHRB I get around 1.5 grams first extraction and .7 grams second. I usually heat my naptha by bathing a jar of it in hot water, and I heat the mixture as well, that way the naptha absorbs more DMT faster. Finally in the end you don't need to wait 3 days, about 10 hours is enough, just make sure you put your freezer on the coldest possible setting.
So really here's how the wait goes: 2 hour boil 2 hour boil strain, let it sit to settle the yukky stuff ~ 4 hours or overnight if your prefer 2 naptha washes - 10 min each (longer if you don't want to try and get everything out at once) 10 hour freeze strain through coffe filter and let dry, the naptha can be used again also
and here's the website with the cheapest MHRB,
100herbgalaxy.com - they charge 57 bucks for a pound of powdered MHRB, that's where I buy mine
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search mimosa hostilis on ebay. I got 1/2 pound of powder for 40 bucks....netted about 2.5g
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: WWorker]
#7790283 - 12/22/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the info! Gonna buy 1/2 pound of the bark tomorrow and try to see if i can find naphtha and lye. Any special grades or brands i should be aware of before i buy the chemicals?
peace
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7790342 - 12/22/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is it worth it to grow a MH tree, or just buy the shit? How expensive is it? Is it the best source for DMT or is it phalaris?
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7790360 - 12/22/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You want to reagent grade shit if you can but you aren't finding that at home depot
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: PoisonedV]
#7790364 - 12/22/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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53$ for 223g inc shipping to sweden.
Only question remaining now is what chems to buy.
So if reagent is out of the question im screwed?
The only natriumhydroxid i can find is labeled 85–100 %. Is that the correct one?
Now if i only could nail the naphtha aswell..:)
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Edited by Christoph (12/22/07 08:14 PM)
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7790404 - 12/22/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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no reagent grade is what like chemist would buy so it's clean so to say. you can use all sorts of grades they might have residual crap that ends up in the finished product however so reagent should be used if possible.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7790442 - 12/22/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only reagent grade thing you'll need to worry about is your petroleum ether (naphtha), other than that NaOH is NaOH and HCl is HCl. And anyways, hardware store brand naphtha works just fine.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: WWorker]
#7792039 - 12/23/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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WWorker said: search mimosa hostilis on ebay. I got 1/2 pound of powder for 40 bucks....netted about 2.5g
its impossible to net that much from 1/2 lb, the DMT content of MHRB is like .57%, 2.5 g is about the amount you get from a pound, you must've had impurities in your crystals
Edited by bloodbrother778 (12/23/07 10:35 AM)
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7792205 - 12/23/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't use that method, its got a high failure rate,
just do a proper and trusted a/b extraction.
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bloodbrother778 said: its impossible to net that much from 1/2 lb, the DMT content of MHRB is like .57%, 2.5 g is about the amount you get from a pound, you must've had impurities in your crystals
MHRB can have alkaloid levels as high as 1%, they can range drastically but 2.5 g is definatly not /impossible/ to get out of a half pound. maybe hes just way better at extraction than you.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: clover606]
#7792836 - 12/23/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe it's impure...I don't know. I do know that it is off white, a bit fluffy after freeze precip and ammonia wash, and it blows my ass away.
I used a mixure of nomans and lazy tek over 3-4 days at about 90 degrees. 5 pulls.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: WWorker]
#7792873 - 12/23/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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seriously how come no one DEFATTS when i straight up defat my bark with the acid solution it pulls a whole mess of junk out the solution so where is that stuff thats pulled with you do your naptha pulls does that just settle out? tho it cant really steelt out of the naptha
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I freeze precip and pour off that yellow naptha. I am left with a white-to-cream fluffy powder.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: clover606]
#7793529 - 12/23/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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clover606 said:
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bloodbrother778 said: its impossible to net that much from 1/2 lb, the DMT content of MHRB is like .57%, 2.5 g is about the amount you get from a pound, you must've had impurities in your crystals
MHRB can have alkaloid levels as high as 1%, they can range drastically but 2.5 g is definatly not /impossible/ to get out of a half pound. maybe hes just way better at extraction than you.
It's not just me, I've never heard of anyone ever getting that much out of a 1/2 pound, that's about the amount that people describe getting out of a pound......... Leading me to believe that his extraction was the inconsistency..... Unless perhaps he got the pink/purple bark which does have higher DMT content Also may I suggest sounding a bit less insulting when saying things like that, theres just no need for it
Also the method that I was talking about is the freeze/precip method, no need for defat, you're left with very pure white fluffy crystals, I would highly recommend using it
http://tribes.tribe.net/ethnobotany/thread/bddc25e3-aeca-418d-811b-a46bbbc5d603
Edited by bloodbrother778 (12/23/07 07:16 PM)
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i didnt mean to sound insulting, and do apologize for any hurt feelings. i still dont think its impossible though. i personally always use the purple inner rootbark when i can, and have gotten as much as 2.1g out of 250 grams of bark. do you use whole bark? maybe thats your problem, whos your supplier?
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: WWorker]
#7793868 - 12/23/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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WWorker said: I freeze precip and pour off that yellow naptha. I am left with a white-to-cream fluffy powder.
what do you mean pour it off,?
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Quote:
bloodbrother778 said:
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WWorker said: search mimosa hostilis on ebay. I got 1/2 pound of powder for 40 bucks....netted about 2.5g
its impossible to net that much from 1/2 lb, the DMT content of MHRB is like .57%, 2.5 g is about the amount you get from a pound, you must've had impurities in your crystals
I've seen at least 3 grams pulled from 1/2 lb. MHRB, it's not impossible.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: waixingren]
#7794299 - 12/23/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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waixingren said: personally though i would skip the ammonia wash. ive heard so many bad stories of brown gunk left over after an ammonia wash.
I second that!!! I'm actually one of the people that got a fucked up result from ammonia. I started with I think 3.12 grams of impure, washed with ammonia which came out to be a light brownish/yellow goo, had re-extract and recrystalize which resulted in me losing almost or a little over a gram.. recrystalizing does wonders, stay away from ammonia.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Divinatory]
#7794389 - 12/24/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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explain re extracting, did you just dislove in naptha again? or into a base?
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7794397 - 12/24/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes I dissolved it back into naphtha, super saturated the mix and then stuck it in the freezer to precipiated, I got good clean clean crystals after that
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Divinatory]
#7794401 - 12/24/07 12:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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im about in the same boat you are... im thinkin about extractin some DMT... good luck to you
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: andrewss]
#7794423 - 12/24/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmm i really need a freezer tho its cold enough out side these days
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: clover606]
#7794451 - 12/24/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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clover606 said: i didnt mean to sound insulting, and do apologize for any hurt feelings. i still dont think its impossible though. i personally always use the purple inner rootbark when i can, and have gotten as much as 2.1g out of 250 grams of bark. do you use whole bark? maybe thats your problem, whos your supplier?
ok yeah that makes sense, I was talking about whole bark, which is what I usually use due to its cheapness, the inner bark does have more DMT in it, so yeah you will get more from that, but more often than not regular bark is used, which is why I was referring to it
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inner bark isnt that expensive
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Sra_sephiroth0 said: seriously how come no one DEFATTS when i straight up defat my bark with the acid solution it pulls a whole mess of junk out the solution so where is that stuff thats pulled with you do your naptha pulls does that just settle out? tho it cant really steelt out of the naptha
My guess is at high enough pH levels the emulsions you usually get in a defat don't appear. From everything i've read you don't need to defat MHRB. People seem to be able to get good (better even) yield and potency from a straight base tek.
For clear crystals the key is to freeze precip, not evaporate all the way. Then redissolve the crystals in super-saturated warm naptha, pull out the yellow drops and freeze precip a final time.
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ok thanks i have to agree for its only been pure white via freeze ing it tho lsa i did a evap and that was very clean pure. that you have to do as an acid base not for fats but to pull out other unwanted stuff I.E. the stuff that gives nausea, i really suggest anyone that has extracted dmt to extract LSA and have some of those sweet little crystals just dont OD
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I use powdered inner bark that is pink/purple. The first time I did it I used naptha...freeze precip and ammoniia wash. The second time i did it I used naptha gfor extract, freeze precip, redissovle in bestine, and freeze precip.....almost pure white.
I will be using bestine and no ammonia from now on.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: WWorker]
#7847137 - 01/08/08 09:05 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Ok, so i tried to do an extraction. But i got some of the brown stuff in my naptha when i poured it to the evap-plate. Now it's almost all evaped. But does the fact that i got that brown stuff in it as well mean it's all contaminated?
I truly need your help, i might end up poisoning my self..=)
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Edited by Christoph (01/08/08 02:09 PM)
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7848734 - 01/08/08 04:04 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Ok, i took some pictures of it for you to judge and help me=)
The pan is ~30cm across.


Here's where the main contams are

Least contaminations:

Last overview

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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7848868 - 01/08/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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i just did it for the first time.
holy shit.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: g00ru]
#7848880 - 01/08/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Extracted or smoked?
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7849208 - 01/08/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Your spice pan looks fine Congrats 
Just avoid scraping up the yellow sticky stuff. That used to happen to me too, but its no big deal. If you smoke it it will be harsher and probably not very good for you but a little bit won't kill you. If you want to clean it up, redisolve all the crystals in a shotglass of naptha and the yellow will fall to the bottom.
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i need to do another extraction. like now. but i have no MHRB  and i got laid off a little while ago, so no $$$
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I scraped all my dirty dirty crystals up and put it in a shotglass with some water and naptha. Then i put it in the freezer. Im now waiting for it to freeze so i can pour the naptha and re-evap. Hopefully some crystals is retrieved..:)
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7849595 - 01/08/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Christoph said: I scraped all my dirty dirty crystals up and put it in a shotglass with some water and naptha. Then i put it in the freezer. Im now waiting for it to freeze so i can pour the naptha and re-evap. Hopefully some crystals is retrieved..:)
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Weird way of doing it, are the water and naptha floating as separate layers? I wonder what will happen. I think the DMT and the gunk will crash out of the naptha, fall into the water and then freeze, leaving nothing in the naptha that you pour off.
If you didn't add the water you just put it in the freezer and the spice will just appear.
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damnit.. dont know actually.. fuck.. well guess ill evap everything again with the water, then readd naptha and do it proper.. would that work?
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7854447 - 01/09/08 03:53 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ok round 2=).
First i put 1250ml water in a stainless steel mixing bowl, added 75-80g Sodium hydroxide. Let the sodium hydroxide dissolve, added 170g rootbark powder. Let it sit for an hour, then stir for 30minutes. Then im adding 125ml naptha and mix for another 30mins. After that im going to let it sit and separate, put it in the freezer. Then pour of the naptha into the evap-plate. Done? Sounds good? Anything i should do differently please let me know!!
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
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I think you would be better off isolating the naphtha without freezing the aqueous layer. The DMT might settle to the bottom of the organic phase and be trapped in the frozen aqueuous phase? I'm no expert.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Stizzle]
#7854631 - 01/09/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I'll hold with the freezing then until more opinions drop in. Thank you!
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Edit: i seem to have missed something.. It's only the naptha that goes in the freezer, not the whole thing with the black/brown sludge. Correct?
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7855615 - 01/09/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Christoph said: Ok round 2=).
First i put 1250ml water in a stainless steel mixing bowl, added 75-80g Sodium hydroxide. Let the sodium hydroxide dissolve, added 170g rootbark powder. Let it sit for an hour, then stir for 30minutes. Then im adding 125ml naptha and mix for another 30mins. After that im going to let it sit and separate, put it in the freezer. Then pour of the naptha into the evap-plate. Done? Sounds good? Anything i should do differently please let me know!!
peace and love.
Yeah that's not exactly what i do but its more or less right. Either you could put it in the freezer and pour off the naptha once the water is frozen (never tried that myself) but what i do is wait until the layers have separated and then pull off the naptha using a turkey baster or a pipette or something.
And then you only put the naptha in the freezer and watch it turn into a snowglobe with falling DMT crystals magically appearing in the bottom of the naptha jar.
I think you're confusing two uses of the freezer. Some people use the freezer to freeze the basified water to make the separation of the naptha easier. The only problem i could see with this is the possibility that as you make the naptha layer colder, it 'freeze precipitates' (see below) the DMT crystals, making them fall to the bottom. As the other guy said, they might fall through the naptha into the water layer and get stuck in the ice.
But far more common is to use the freezer to freeze JUST the extracted naptha layer to make the DMT form without needing to evaporate. This is called 'freeze precipitation' or 'crashing out' the DMT.
'Freeze Precipitation' like that is just an alternative to evaporating the naptha. It usually leaves a much higher quality spice. The common way to do it is to air evaporate most of the naptha off and then FP the last 100 - 300ml or so.
So this is what i do:
1. Blah blah. 2. Wait for the basified water and naptha layers to separate cleanly. 3. Pull out the naptha using a pipette and put it in a second jar. Repeat that a few times with fresh naptha, then discard the basified water. (I dont use the freezer to separate the layers like you) 4. Put the jar of naptha into a shallow dish, evaporate it down to about 200ml. 5. Put that 200ml into a sealed jar in the freezer for 2 hours, then in the fridge for 2 hours, then freezer, fridge, freezer, etc. If you leave it longer than 2 hours, make sure its in the freezer (ie when you go to bed) 6. At the end of the process, DMT crystals will have formed in my naptha jar, stuck to the sides and collecting at the bottom. 7. While its still cold, pour the naptha and crystals onto a coffee filter, dry the crystals, scrape them out and celebrate.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7855625 - 01/09/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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What can i do to get more separation? Having a hard time pouring only naptha even out of a smaller measuring cup..
Edit:I Just read you post, thank you so much. I dont use the freezer to do separate the layers either. That was just a misunderstanding on my part;) Now i need to find a pipette. I'll use mah secret spooning tech.. Using a teaspoon. Peace help me:)
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7855917 - 01/09/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Teaspoon will be difficult but good luck. Chemists often have small pipettes for feeding babies medicine. You could also use a syringe with or without the needle. Again chemists have those, also for feeding babies medicine.
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yea the spoonthing did not work this time around, did not get as much separation. Anyway i can increase it?
Btw there is 170g bark, 1.5litres water, 95g sodium hydroxide and about 150ml naptha.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7855933 - 01/09/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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What do you mean increase the separation? Make the line cleaner? - add more lye or wait for it to settle longer. Add more naptha? sure. Just re-mix the water/naptha every time you add fresh stuff.
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Hmm im gonna let it be over night and find me a pipette tomorrow. Im so sorry for all the newbness.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7857169 - 01/09/08 11:53 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Don't be 'depressed', your extracting spice!! Even if your doing more 'prospecting' than mining your learning all the way. Anyway i thought i saw some nice crystals in that glass dish you should be exploring hyperspace in no time.
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This is what ive got sofar.


Thanks undergrounder.
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The only reason i want to try DMT is that track Divine Moments of Truth by Shpongle
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Chronic7]
#7866683 - 01/11/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Is that enough for a good journey? I do not have a milligram scale yet. How much should i smoke? Remember, this will be my first time. Ive only tried low doses of shrooms before and weed ofc.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
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Christoph said: Is that enough for a good journey? I do not have a milligram scale yet. How much should i smoke? Remember, this will be my first time. Ive only tried low doses of shrooms before and weed ofc.
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It could be enough or way too much depending on how pure it is... i suggest just taking a knife tip and then measuring it in lungfulls of smoke. Taking one big lungfull would get you a decent lower level dose and two to three big lungfulls would be strong.
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Before i smoke anything i just want to make sure i used the correct naptha:)

i think it translates to hydrogenunsulfured 100%?
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7876517 - 01/14/08 12:03 AM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Christoph said: Before i smoke anything i just want to make sure i used the correct naptha:)

i think it translates to hydrogenunsulfured 100%?
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I have no idea mate, i use stuff called shellite. If you still have some naptha left over, pour a small amount in a flat dish and make sure it all evaporates and leaves no residue behind. If that's the case its fine.
But those crystals look fine anyway. I doubt you have the wrong naptha.
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Thanks, i took your tip and tried. It all evaporated. I'm building a VapoBulb atm and i want some input. Am i done? Do i need to add anything?



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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7887210 - 01/16/08 04:16 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Wow nice man, looks good. Nothing i would add. You can get your spice in there OK?
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Yea, the cap actually almost snaps in place when i put it on and it's easy to remove. I'm hoping the drag wont be to horrid.
I scraped up my second batch of crystals and dissolved them in a shotglass of naptha, minus the water:), did the CFC a couple of times. It wont crystallize. It becomes a layer on the bottom and the side of the shotglass. Any advice?
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7888507 - 01/16/08 02:54 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Christoph said: Yea, the cap actually almost snaps in place when i put it on and it's easy to remove. I'm hoping the drag wont be to horrid.
I scraped up my second batch of crystals and dissolved them in a shotglass of naptha, minus the water:), did the CFC a couple of times. It wont crystallize. It becomes a layer on the bottom and the side of the shotglass. Any advice?
Peace
when you recrystallize like that. Dissolve your crystals in JUST enough naptha so that they all dissolve, heat it in a hot water bath also during this process. You want to create a super concentrated solution.
Cover it, and let it sit at room temp. The crystals will grow.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: enesi]
#7888609 - 01/16/08 03:17 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Thank you for the advice, gonna take the shotglass bade it in some hotwater and try again. Cover it as in cover the top of the glass or the entire thing so no light comes through?
Edit: Lol typical of me.. I happened to destroy my last batch of crystals.. Tipped the glass and away my dmt-liquid went:) I hope the crystals i have in the vial is enough for a trip. Need to order a new batch of barkpowder and try it all again. Thanks for everything guys. When i finally do smoke it i'll come back and report:)
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
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Christoph said: Thank you for the advice, gonna take the shotglass bade it in some hotwater and try again. Cover it as in cover the top of the glass or the entire thing so no light comes through?
Edit: Lol typical of me.. I happened to destroy my last batch of crystals.. Tipped the glass and away my dmt-liquid went:) I hope the crystals i have in the vial is enough for a trip. Need to order a new batch of barkpowder and try it all again. Thanks for everything guys. When i finally do smoke it i'll come back and report:)
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just cover it so it can't evaporate.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: enesi]
#7889250 - 01/16/08 05:27 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Gotcha, til next time. I'll heed all of your advice.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7893887 - 01/17/08 04:43 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Btw, could you guys post pics of how much you smoke each time? Got's me no scale..;) And please post your smoketool, that would be awesome.
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Re: I want to try out DMT. [Re: Christoph]
#7894114 - 01/17/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Be excellent.
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