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Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant?
    #7788647 - 12/22/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That other post got ugly and locked before I had a chance to see it here.  I'm amazed how adverse people here are to smoking a little pot to deal with the symptoms of pregnancy. 

Have none of you done any research about the Ganja babies from Rastafarian societies, etc?  My girlfriend's whole family smoked while every one of them was pregnant and I don't see a single problem that resulted from it (except the pothead gene passed :tongue:)

So honestly, sure it might be a little bad for a baby if the mother is smoking, but I would trust pot 100% more than any prescription drug being given to treat the same symptoms.

So let's have a nice talk about this, show me the light and prove to me smoking makes babies retarded or something, because EVERY evidence I've seen points towards no ill effects.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788650 - 12/22/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said in the other thread, I don't recall there being any major studies that pointed to severe adverse effects of smoking pot while pregnant. I know a few people who smoked cigarettes while pregnant and their children are fine (so far.) It's not like alcohol or crack.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: jewunit]
    #7788657 - 12/22/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I certainly don't either, and I sure as hell wouldn't believe one if it was done by our government anyway.

The only study I have seen in regards to this was someone who lived with the mothers of several Ganja babies from a Rastafarian culture in Jamaica(I think). He explained how they used pot to treat the various problems associated with pregnancy, and how there are so little to no birth problems associated with their culture than any other.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788661 - 12/22/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's not 100% your baby will be fucked up but why would you want to take the risk?


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7788669 - 12/22/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Because if I was waking up sick, throwing up, dizzy, and unable to eat every morning I'd sure as hell want something to make me feel better too.

And like I said earlier, I trust pot 100, no make that 1000x more than any pharmaceutical that would treat the same thing. I had 2 friends last year kill themselves because of SSRI's. Fuck the prescriptions.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788673 - 12/22/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788674 - 12/22/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Because if I was waking up sick, throwing up, dizzy, and unable to eat every morning I'd sure as hell want something to make me feel better too.




That's what Thalidomide is for.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788679 - 12/22/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i dont see anything wrong with taking a few tokes to combat morning sickness. i mean, it IS a medicine in many cases. if you think that a woman shouldnt smoke pot at all during pregnancy, then she shouldnt take anything else either, such as aspirin, cough syrup, etc.

as long as she isnt doing it all day every day i dont see a problem with it. im a pot baby, and there isnt hardly anything wrong with me :lol:


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788681 - 12/22/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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And like I said earlier, I trust pot 100, no make that 1000x more than any pharmaceutical that would treat the same thing.




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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7788682 - 12/22/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Apart from [Thalidomide's] infamous tendency to induce birth defects




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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788684 - 12/22/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't care what studies say pot is better, or worse for your lungs than cigerettes. Taking any smoke into your lungs has got to be bad for your health.
So by default it is bad for your babies health.
My girfriend has horrible lifelong asmha, that has almost killed her on a few occasions, because her mom didn't think smoking ciggerettes was bad while pregnant.

I'm not going to throw rocks at a girl whos smoking and pregnant, but i will lecture her untill she's uncomfortable enough to put the joint/cig down.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7788685 - 12/22/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Because if I was waking up sick, throwing up, dizzy, and unable to eat every morning I'd sure as hell want something to make me feel better too.




That's what Thalidomide is for.




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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788689 - 12/22/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Most likely, smoking a couple joints while pregnant is not going to harm the baby, but odds are it still isn't good for it.

I do have a friend though, whose mom smoked pot (regularly) while pregnant and he was born with 30% hearing loss.

I doubt it's good for you, but just like wine, 1 or 2 times isn't going to do anything.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7788690 - 12/22/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

everything i read has proved either inconclusive or reported not seeing much of an effect to the unborn child. HOWEVER, one thing you must remember is that you're SMOKING something which is a.) bad for your health and b.) could possibly be bad for your child's health. Obviously edible treats would be a way around this but there is no proof that THC does not pass through the placenta, there is a possibility that this drug can harm your child. So, in the end, with no conclusive evidence that THC and its brothers and sisters is not harmful to your unborn child why take the risk? Seems pretty stupid to risk the life of someone else because you feel nauseas and dizzy.

Also, there have been reports that THC does make its way into breast milk. So a nursing mother should definitely not be smoking any cannabis.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Dreamer987]
    #7788691 - 12/22/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't care what studies say pot is better, or worse for your lungs than cigerettes. Taking any smoke into your lungs has got to be bad for your health.
So by default it is bad for your babies health.
My girfriend has horrible lifelong asmha, that has almost killed her on a few occasions, because her mom didn't think smoking ciggerettes was bad while pregnant.

I'm not going to throw rocks at a girl whos smoking and pregnant, but i will lecture her untill she's uncomfortable enough to put the joint/cig down.




So you're alright with somebody coming up to lecture you when they think you're doing something wrong? You'd have a lot of fun at a Mormon church.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7788696 - 12/22/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There are plenty of animal and human studies suggesting nothing but adverse effects resulting from prenatal marijuana exposure. Knowingly putting a child at risk (no matter how small) so you can get high speaks volumes about a parent's character.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Dreamer987]
    #7788699 - 12/22/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't care what studies say pot is better, or worse for your lungs than cigerettes. Taking any smoke into your lungs has got to be bad for your health.
So by default it is bad for your babies health.
My girfriend has horrible lifelong asmha, that has almost killed her on a few occasions, because her mom didn't think smoking ciggerettes was bad while pregnant.

I'm not going to throw rocks at a girl whos smoking and pregnant, but i will lecture her untill she's uncomfortable enough to put the joint/cig down.




people have been using cannabis for thousands of years as a medicine. theres a reason for this. it WORKS.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: badchad]
    #7788700 - 12/22/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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There are plenty of animal and human studies suggesting nothing but adverse effects resulting from prenatal marijuana exposure. Knowingly putting a child at risk (no matter how small) so you can get high speaks volumes about a parent's character.





Show me ONE legitimate one.

Not to mention I wasn't talking about taking pot to get high, but to relieve the bad symptoms associated with pregnancy.

Shit I smoke pot for half of those reasons and I obviously can't even be pregnant. I would have an all out eating disorder if not for pot sometimes.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: badchad]
    #7788701 - 12/22/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think he means just for the purpose of getting high.
I still wouldn't want a woman who was baring my child to be smoking, but I think there are much bigger things to worry about.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788705 - 12/22/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My friend recently got pregnant and her doctor told her it was okay to smoke once in a while during pregnancy. Smoking cigs is bad though. Its filled with lots of chemicals, and people generally smoke many of them a day.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7788707 - 12/22/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Most likely, smoking a couple joints while pregnant is not going to harm the baby, but odds are it still isn't good for it.

I do have a friend though, whose mom smoked pot (regularly) while pregnant and he was born with 30% hearing loss.

I doubt it's good for you, but just like wine, 1 or 2 times isn't going to do anything.




theres no proving that pot did it, unless that was the ONLY thing she ever put into her body. it could have been anything, such as chlorine or fluoride in the drinking water, pesticides and hormones in our food, plastics and teflon leeching into our food and drinks. there are hundreds of things that could have caused that.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788708 - 12/22/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You'd have a lot of fun at a Mormon church.




Mormon church is more fun than Six Flags.

If you've never been, I highly recommend it.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788713 - 12/22/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its not about archane morals, its about possibly (most likely) harming inocent bystanders, which is never o.k.
I wouldn't keep quite if someone was driving drunk either.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: badchad]
    #7788714 - 12/22/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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There are plenty of animal and human studies suggesting nothing but adverse effects resulting from prenatal marijuana exposure. Knowingly putting a child at risk (no matter how small) so you can get high speaks volumes about a parent's character.




provide links and references.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: jewunit]
    #7788719 - 12/22/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is something I'm almost certainly going to have to deal with which is why I want this discussion to happen.

My girlfriends mom smoked while she was pregnant, and I know for a fact my girlfriend will smoke for the same reasons if she gets pregnant. I was 100% against it at first until I looked into it. At this point I'm of the opinion that if it helps the mother and she's not doing something stupid like taking 20 bong hits a day or smoking with a gas mask or something then who am I to tell her how to treat her problems.

I don't judge the alcoholic for getting drunk, I don't judge the opiate user for taking an extra pill when he's extremely stressed, and I sure as hell won't judge a woman for smoking (Or EATING) a medicinal herb that's been used for pregnancy treatment for centuries.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788722 - 12/22/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7788723 - 12/22/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You'd have a lot of fun at a Mormon church.




Mormon church is more fun than Six Flags.

If you've never been, I highly recommend it.




:lol: It's definitely something alright.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788725 - 12/22/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't judge the alcoholic for getting drunk, I don't judge the opiate user for taking an extra pill when he's extremely stressed, and I sure as hell won't judge a woman for smoking (Or EATING) a medicinal herb that's been used for pregnancy treatment for centuries.




MILLENIA. pot has been traced back al the way to early mesopotamian society, and i wouldnt doubt if it was being used long before that.

in my opinion you are at more risk for harming your baby through eating commercial eggs, meats, dairy and even vegetables than smoking pot.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788730 - 12/22/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's a similar argument to the whole "alcohol is legal so weed should be too." It's a flawed argument. Just because eating eggs may be riskier doesn't make smoking pot okay.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: badchad]
    #7788737 - 12/22/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Show me ONE legitimate one.





Here's two nice reviews to get you started:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=11274871&ordinalpos=33&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

and another:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=16095697&ordinalpos=16&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

And these were in the first 40 or so results of a pubmed search.




how about some more sources.

the bottom link even states this:

"Although there is a relatively extensive body of literature that has focused upon birth and behavioral outcomes in newborns and infants after prenatal exposure to maternal smoking, drinking and, to a lesser extent, cannabis use, information on neurobehavioral and cognitive teratogenic findings beyond these early ages is still quite limited."


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: jewunit]
    #7788748 - 12/22/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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That's a similar argument to the whole "alcohol is legal so weed should be too." It's a flawed argument. Just because eating eggs may be riskier doesn't make smoking pot okay.




not so. everyone knows that alcohol causes birth defects, everyone knows that it will cause disease with prolonged use. this has been known for a long time. there are no documented cases of cannabis being linked to disease, deffect, or death. and as far as i know, there is very little medical use for alcohol.

it doesnt 100% justify it jew, however the fact that any other medicine and even food has the same if not almost definately higher risk of damage, then why not use it as a medicine when needed? its just as, if not even more effective than prescription and OTC nausea medicines.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788756 - 12/22/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, you're confusing what I'm saying.

A common argument for legal marijuana is that alcohol is legal and more dangerous, so weed should be legal too. That's a flawed argument. It's also similar to what you were saying that everyday foods could or are more harmful than smoking pot, so smoking pot should be okay. Not true.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788766 - 12/22/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think one should take the chance with their child's future, but as long as the woman isn't carrying my child, it's not my problem.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: jewunit]
    #7788787 - 12/22/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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No, you're confusing what I'm saying.

A common argument for legal marijuana is that alcohol is legal and more dangerous, so weed should be legal too. That's a flawed argument. It's also similar to what you were saying that everyday foods could or are more harmful than smoking pot, so smoking pot should be okay. Not true.




similar, but not what i was saying. im merely saying that it is just as, if not more effective than something you can get at the pharmacy, and the pharmaceuticals all have negative side effects and can damage your baby, so why not use cannabis instead? its natural, its been used for thousands of years, and its proven to work.

i guess i was also making a statement that if youre going to stop smoking pot for pregnancy nausea, you might as well stop eating and drinking commercially produced foods and beverages while pregnant as well, because they all have toxins in them. all of which have been linked to disease and deficiencies.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: coda]
    #7788812 - 12/22/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, there have been reports that THC does make its way into breast milk.



well hell...I know where I'll be getting my THC from from now on  :naughty:


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7788813 - 12/22/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

okay...... from what i gathered smoking will not cause any major birth defects although it is proven, don't ask for links just google, when you smoke it takes away from the babies oxygen so its not receiving the 100% oxygen flow or whatever so its not getting all its nutrients. I'm not saying its right or okay but its not like shes smoking a fucking rock. she smokes maybe a bowl a day, a small bowl at that. she does know that THC can be passed through the titty and she has decided that she will quit here real soon. i do look down at it and she knows it bothers me, but what can i do?


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: fthissite]
    #7788827 - 12/22/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7788846 - 12/22/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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whats up integra2low




fuck yeah its me . you didnt really think that nice fellow ripple could keep me off this site .


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788861 - 12/22/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'd rather a chick smoke pot while pregnant than eat McDonald's food.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7788876 - 12/22/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd rather a chick smoke pot while pregnant than eat McDonald's food.




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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7788893 - 12/22/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

bye!


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: rippleluvsnigers]
    #7788900 - 12/22/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: rippleluvsnigers]
    #7788906 - 12/22/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd rather a chick smoke pot while pregnant than eat McDonald's food.



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grow the fuck up. and get popped growing, so that way you can get "mad" dicks in the ass. yo.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: rippleluvsnigers]
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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Muppet]
    #7788934 - 12/22/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, there have been reports that THC does make its way into breast milk.



well hell...I know where I'll be getting my THC from from now on  :naughty:




:rofl2:

The naughty emot at the end just tied it off.



And to the OP, when used as you say, to combat nausea and other ill effects I wouldn't see a problem with it at all.  I love smoking pot to get stoned, but it's definitely an excellent medicine!  If she just used it for medicinal purposes as you're saying the baby should be fine.  I think you're right about all the other shit we take in being a lot more harmful. 

Babies get toxins.  Every baby.  It happens.  Maybe a vape would cut that down a bit, or as you mentioned edibles.  I know a friend who candy flipped early in the pregnancy (she didn't know at that point that she was pregnant) and her kid is perfectly fine physically and damn smart for her age.  I'm not saying go out there and do a bunch of drugs cause being pregnant sucks, but a small bowl out of a vape, or a brownie in the morning isn't going to give your baby gigantic brain defects.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: circularvortex]
    #7788950 - 12/22/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i hadnt even thought of that option. a vaporizer would def. be healthier.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7789077 - 12/22/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

THC and all the other chemicals in Marijuana have shown to be completely non toxic. I would limit however how much intake on that, and she seems to be doing just that, I would also limit fast food etc. Studies show that at least very mild alcohol drinking does not affect the baby. I would stay away from caffeine as much as possible, from what doctors say.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7789083 - 12/22/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Danksis smoked herb on occassion while pregnant with our son, Elijah. She was very very particular about what she put into her body, so I am quite sure that she researched everything to do with herb smoking ad pregnancy. Elijah is a very smart and strong toddler now, so I'm going to go ahead and say that I think that smoking herb while pregnant is alright, as long as you don't smoke it all the time.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: blissedout]
    #7789194 - 12/22/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Everyone needs to keep in mind that none of us are doctors or researchers in this field.  While we can say "so and so smoked and their baby is fine" there is no concrete evidence to back it up.  Most of everything posted in this thread is a subjective opinion and is not fact.

While i appreciate the fact that there are parents who have smoked during pregnancy and have noticed no ill effects in their children, people should take caution and really weigh out the options before deciding to follow in the same foot steps.  Please, people, always consult your physician before making decisions like this, im just saying this as a warning since no one in this thread is truly qualified to give medical advice.  JUST BECAUSE RESULTS ARE INCONCLUSIVE OR FINDINGS ARE LIMITED DOES NOT MEAN IT'S SAFE.

please, think of the children, won't somebody please think of the children :wink:

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like i mentioned to all those parents who have noticed no ill effects please don't think im trying to discredit you, i just feel it's necessary to point out the fact that people need to take extreme caution when ingesting various things during pregnancy.  We all have the right to choose what we put in our bodies but it's important to make the right choice for those that can't speak.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: coda]
    #7789795 - 12/22/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, a physician should be consulted in just about all matters regarding this. Am I going to believe a physician that tells me it will make the baby retarded and have bad lung function though? No of course I won't because I know he's just telling me what he has to to start writing out prescriptions that I'm 100% convinced doctors are getting commission off these days.

(Also, I'd like to thank you mods for editing out the garbage and keeping the thread going, I didn't see what the posts were since I've been away since my last post but thank you.)

I agree with a lot of opinions and points of view in this post, and this is why I wanted a real discussion about it. And not one person yet has come forward saying smoking pot affected their child in a negative manner at all (No a friend having a baby with a hearing problem does not count, I'm sure I could dig up a statistic on children with hearing problems that would look good but be totally irrelevant.)

Anyway the opinion I agree with most here, ironically enough, is if it's not my baby it's not my concern. I think the mother has the choice in this matter how she wants to deal with her symptoms.

However I believe if it was my baby I'd want (I'll use my girlfriend as an example) my girlfriend to for sure stop smoking so much, (She smokes so much pot it affects her health, so clearly smoking THAT MUCH pot could have ill effects on a child), and start using a vaporizer or putting the cannabis into food to be eaten. I would feel way more comfortable with this than any prescribed drugs that do the same thing. That's my main point I guess, fuck untested, newly prescribed drugs with side effects not even measured when things can be treated so much more naturally.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: coda]
    #7789816 - 12/22/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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JUST BECAUSE RESULTS ARE INCONCLUSIVE OR FINDINGS ARE LIMITED DOES NOT MEAN IT'S SAFE.





You do realize however that this exact logic is used on BOTH sides by pharmaceutical companies though right? It's used to dis-credit natural medicines like marijuana for instance, and somehow used at the same time to push these pills that are very badly tested for long term effects.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: cactastic]
    #8092319 - 03/02/08 12:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ya, my boy had a baby last year and their DR said no buts but new research actually showed some pothead's babies were above average intelligence, obvioulsy moderation is suggested but It doesn't kill braincells as suggested before any more than the air we are breathing anyway....kills lung cancer tumors, 50% reduction in 1st two weeks of testing....It's up to you. but it definitly wont make something like a crack baby.


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