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InvisibleLeftyBurnz
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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7788707 - 12/22/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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oliveplume said:
Most likely, smoking a couple joints while pregnant is not going to harm the baby, but odds are it still isn't good for it.

I do have a friend though, whose mom smoked pot (regularly) while pregnant and he was born with 30% hearing loss.

I doubt it's good for you, but just like wine, 1 or 2 times isn't going to do anything.




theres no proving that pot did it, unless that was the ONLY thing she ever put into her body. it could have been anything, such as chlorine or fluoride in the drinking water, pesticides and hormones in our food, plastics and teflon leeching into our food and drinks. there are hundreds of things that could have caused that.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788708 - 12/22/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Jadian said:
You'd have a lot of fun at a Mormon church.




Mormon church is more fun than Six Flags.

If you've never been, I highly recommend it.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788713 - 12/22/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its not about archane morals, its about possibly (most likely) harming inocent bystanders, which is never o.k.
I wouldn't keep quite if someone was driving drunk either.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: badchad]
    #7788714 - 12/22/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:
There are plenty of animal and human studies suggesting nothing but adverse effects resulting from prenatal marijuana exposure. Knowingly putting a child at risk (no matter how small) so you can get high speaks volumes about a parent's character.




provide links and references.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: jewunit]
    #7788719 - 12/22/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is something I'm almost certainly going to have to deal with which is why I want this discussion to happen.

My girlfriends mom smoked while she was pregnant, and I know for a fact my girlfriend will smoke for the same reasons if she gets pregnant. I was 100% against it at first until I looked into it. At this point I'm of the opinion that if it helps the mother and she's not doing something stupid like taking 20 bong hits a day or smoking with a gas mask or something then who am I to tell her how to treat her problems.

I don't judge the alcoholic for getting drunk, I don't judge the opiate user for taking an extra pill when he's extremely stressed, and I sure as hell won't judge a woman for smoking (Or EATING) a medicinal herb that's been used for pregnancy treatment for centuries.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788722 - 12/22/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7788723 - 12/22/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ziggen said:
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Jadian said:
You'd have a lot of fun at a Mormon church.




Mormon church is more fun than Six Flags.

If you've never been, I highly recommend it.




:lol: It's definitely something alright.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788725 - 12/22/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Jadian said:
I don't judge the alcoholic for getting drunk, I don't judge the opiate user for taking an extra pill when he's extremely stressed, and I sure as hell won't judge a woman for smoking (Or EATING) a medicinal herb that's been used for pregnancy treatment for centuries.




MILLENIA. pot has been traced back al the way to early mesopotamian society, and i wouldnt doubt if it was being used long before that.

in my opinion you are at more risk for harming your baby through eating commercial eggs, meats, dairy and even vegetables than smoking pot.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788730 - 12/22/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's a similar argument to the whole "alcohol is legal so weed should be too." It's a flawed argument. Just because eating eggs may be riskier doesn't make smoking pot okay.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: badchad]
    #7788737 - 12/22/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Jadian said:

Show me ONE legitimate one.





Here's two nice reviews to get you started:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=11274871&ordinalpos=33&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

and another:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=16095697&ordinalpos=16&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

And these were in the first 40 or so results of a pubmed search.




how about some more sources.

the bottom link even states this:

"Although there is a relatively extensive body of literature that has focused upon birth and behavioral outcomes in newborns and infants after prenatal exposure to maternal smoking, drinking and, to a lesser extent, cannabis use, information on neurobehavioral and cognitive teratogenic findings beyond these early ages is still quite limited."


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: jewunit]
    #7788748 - 12/22/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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jewunit said:
That's a similar argument to the whole "alcohol is legal so weed should be too." It's a flawed argument. Just because eating eggs may be riskier doesn't make smoking pot okay.




not so. everyone knows that alcohol causes birth defects, everyone knows that it will cause disease with prolonged use. this has been known for a long time. there are no documented cases of cannabis being linked to disease, deffect, or death. and as far as i know, there is very little medical use for alcohol.

it doesnt 100% justify it jew, however the fact that any other medicine and even food has the same if not almost definately higher risk of damage, then why not use it as a medicine when needed? its just as, if not even more effective than prescription and OTC nausea medicines.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788756 - 12/22/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, you're confusing what I'm saying.

A common argument for legal marijuana is that alcohol is legal and more dangerous, so weed should be legal too. That's a flawed argument. It's also similar to what you were saying that everyday foods could or are more harmful than smoking pot, so smoking pot should be okay. Not true.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788766 - 12/22/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think one should take the chance with their child's future, but as long as the woman isn't carrying my child, it's not my problem.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: jewunit]
    #7788787 - 12/22/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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jewunit said:
No, you're confusing what I'm saying.

A common argument for legal marijuana is that alcohol is legal and more dangerous, so weed should be legal too. That's a flawed argument. It's also similar to what you were saying that everyday foods could or are more harmful than smoking pot, so smoking pot should be okay. Not true.




similar, but not what i was saying. im merely saying that it is just as, if not more effective than something you can get at the pharmacy, and the pharmaceuticals all have negative side effects and can damage your baby, so why not use cannabis instead? its natural, its been used for thousands of years, and its proven to work.

i guess i was also making a statement that if youre going to stop smoking pot for pregnancy nausea, you might as well stop eating and drinking commercially produced foods and beverages while pregnant as well, because they all have toxins in them. all of which have been linked to disease and deficiencies.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: coda]
    #7788812 - 12/22/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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coda said:
Also, there have been reports that THC does make its way into breast milk.



well hell...I know where I'll be getting my THC from from now on  :naughty:


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7788813 - 12/22/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

okay...... from what i gathered smoking will not cause any major birth defects although it is proven, don't ask for links just google, when you smoke it takes away from the babies oxygen so its not receiving the 100% oxygen flow or whatever so its not getting all its nutrients. I'm not saying its right or okay but its not like shes smoking a fucking rock. she smokes maybe a bowl a day, a small bowl at that. she does know that THC can be passed through the titty and she has decided that she will quit here real soon. i do look down at it and she knows it bothers me, but what can i do?


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? *DELETED* [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788822 - 12/22/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: fthissite]
    #7788827 - 12/22/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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whats up integra2low


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: imthenewpope]
    #7788846 - 12/22/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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:rofl2:

whats up integra2low




fuck yeah its me . you didnt really think that nice fellow ripple could keep me off this site .


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788861 - 12/22/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'd rather a chick smoke pot while pregnant than eat McDonald's food.


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