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Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant?
    #7788647 - 12/22/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That other post got ugly and locked before I had a chance to see it here.  I'm amazed how adverse people here are to smoking a little pot to deal with the symptoms of pregnancy. 

Have none of you done any research about the Ganja babies from Rastafarian societies, etc?  My girlfriend's whole family smoked while every one of them was pregnant and I don't see a single problem that resulted from it (except the pothead gene passed :tongue:)

So honestly, sure it might be a little bad for a baby if the mother is smoking, but I would trust pot 100% more than any prescription drug being given to treat the same symptoms.

So let's have a nice talk about this, show me the light and prove to me smoking makes babies retarded or something, because EVERY evidence I've seen points towards no ill effects.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788650 - 12/22/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said in the other thread, I don't recall there being any major studies that pointed to severe adverse effects of smoking pot while pregnant. I know a few people who smoked cigarettes while pregnant and their children are fine (so far.) It's not like alcohol or crack.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: jewunit]
    #7788657 - 12/22/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I certainly don't either, and I sure as hell wouldn't believe one if it was done by our government anyway.

The only study I have seen in regards to this was someone who lived with the mothers of several Ganja babies from a Rastafarian culture in Jamaica(I think). He explained how they used pot to treat the various problems associated with pregnancy, and how there are so little to no birth problems associated with their culture than any other.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788661 - 12/22/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's not 100% your baby will be fucked up but why would you want to take the risk?


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7788669 - 12/22/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Because if I was waking up sick, throwing up, dizzy, and unable to eat every morning I'd sure as hell want something to make me feel better too.

And like I said earlier, I trust pot 100, no make that 1000x more than any pharmaceutical that would treat the same thing. I had 2 friends last year kill themselves because of SSRI's. Fuck the prescriptions.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788673 - 12/22/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788674 - 12/22/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Because if I was waking up sick, throwing up, dizzy, and unable to eat every morning I'd sure as hell want something to make me feel better too.




That's what Thalidomide is for.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788679 - 12/22/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i dont see anything wrong with taking a few tokes to combat morning sickness. i mean, it IS a medicine in many cases. if you think that a woman shouldnt smoke pot at all during pregnancy, then she shouldnt take anything else either, such as aspirin, cough syrup, etc.

as long as she isnt doing it all day every day i dont see a problem with it. im a pot baby, and there isnt hardly anything wrong with me :lol:


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788681 - 12/22/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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And like I said earlier, I trust pot 100, no make that 1000x more than any pharmaceutical that would treat the same thing.




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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7788682 - 12/22/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Apart from [Thalidomide's] infamous tendency to induce birth defects




Greeeeeeat.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788684 - 12/22/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't care what studies say pot is better, or worse for your lungs than cigerettes. Taking any smoke into your lungs has got to be bad for your health.
So by default it is bad for your babies health.
My girfriend has horrible lifelong asmha, that has almost killed her on a few occasions, because her mom didn't think smoking ciggerettes was bad while pregnant.

I'm not going to throw rocks at a girl whos smoking and pregnant, but i will lecture her untill she's uncomfortable enough to put the joint/cig down.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7788685 - 12/22/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Because if I was waking up sick, throwing up, dizzy, and unable to eat every morning I'd sure as hell want something to make me feel better too.




That's what Thalidomide is for.




id rather let nature do her work.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7788689 - 12/22/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Most likely, smoking a couple joints while pregnant is not going to harm the baby, but odds are it still isn't good for it.

I do have a friend though, whose mom smoked pot (regularly) while pregnant and he was born with 30% hearing loss.

I doubt it's good for you, but just like wine, 1 or 2 times isn't going to do anything.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7788690 - 12/22/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

everything i read has proved either inconclusive or reported not seeing much of an effect to the unborn child. HOWEVER, one thing you must remember is that you're SMOKING something which is a.) bad for your health and b.) could possibly be bad for your child's health. Obviously edible treats would be a way around this but there is no proof that THC does not pass through the placenta, there is a possibility that this drug can harm your child. So, in the end, with no conclusive evidence that THC and its brothers and sisters is not harmful to your unborn child why take the risk? Seems pretty stupid to risk the life of someone else because you feel nauseas and dizzy.

Also, there have been reports that THC does make its way into breast milk. So a nursing mother should definitely not be smoking any cannabis.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Dreamer987]
    #7788691 - 12/22/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't care what studies say pot is better, or worse for your lungs than cigerettes. Taking any smoke into your lungs has got to be bad for your health.
So by default it is bad for your babies health.
My girfriend has horrible lifelong asmha, that has almost killed her on a few occasions, because her mom didn't think smoking ciggerettes was bad while pregnant.

I'm not going to throw rocks at a girl whos smoking and pregnant, but i will lecture her untill she's uncomfortable enough to put the joint/cig down.




So you're alright with somebody coming up to lecture you when they think you're doing something wrong? You'd have a lot of fun at a Mormon church.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7788696 - 12/22/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There are plenty of animal and human studies suggesting nothing but adverse effects resulting from prenatal marijuana exposure. Knowingly putting a child at risk (no matter how small) so you can get high speaks volumes about a parent's character.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Dreamer987]
    #7788699 - 12/22/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Dreamer987 said:
I don't care what studies say pot is better, or worse for your lungs than cigerettes. Taking any smoke into your lungs has got to be bad for your health.
So by default it is bad for your babies health.
My girfriend has horrible lifelong asmha, that has almost killed her on a few occasions, because her mom didn't think smoking ciggerettes was bad while pregnant.

I'm not going to throw rocks at a girl whos smoking and pregnant, but i will lecture her untill she's uncomfortable enough to put the joint/cig down.




people have been using cannabis for thousands of years as a medicine. theres a reason for this. it WORKS.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: badchad]
    #7788700 - 12/22/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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There are plenty of animal and human studies suggesting nothing but adverse effects resulting from prenatal marijuana exposure. Knowingly putting a child at risk (no matter how small) so you can get high speaks volumes about a parent's character.





Show me ONE legitimate one.

Not to mention I wasn't talking about taking pot to get high, but to relieve the bad symptoms associated with pregnancy.

Shit I smoke pot for half of those reasons and I obviously can't even be pregnant. I would have an all out eating disorder if not for pot sometimes.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: badchad]
    #7788701 - 12/22/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think he means just for the purpose of getting high.
I still wouldn't want a woman who was baring my child to be smoking, but I think there are much bigger things to worry about.


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Re: Can we have a civil discussion about smoking while pregnant? [Re: Jadian]
    #7788705 - 12/22/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My friend recently got pregnant and her doctor told her it was okay to smoke once in a while during pregnancy. Smoking cigs is bad though. Its filled with lots of chemicals, and people generally smoke many of them a day.


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