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OfflineJoseLibrado
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Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion.
    #7788329 - 12/22/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know that many teachings I have come across are true and seem to be devoid of experiencing them fully.

I know that they are real and the others are illusion.

Racism, inequality, intellectual pride, arrogance, shame, guilt, despair, are created through prespective's about what is real.

Looking around, bring your highest prespective to heart, noticing that the illusion and confusion, makes the capacity for reality and clarity.

Embracing what is nessecary to experience our true selves.:heart:


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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7788515 - 12/22/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry did you have a point here?


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7788805 - 12/22/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know that many teachings I have come across are true and seem to be devoid of experiencing them fully.


WTF does that mean.:confused:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: Icelander]
    #7788992 - 12/22/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It meas that although i know that certain teachings are true, experienceing them fully as a manifested reality created through our potentials, is far and few.

it is more common for me to revert back to illusionary realities created by previous teachings(mental conditionings).

The largest illusion to the trascendance of preconditioned beliefs is the illusion of seperation that are created through a lack in being able to see the mutual importance of both experiences, to each other.:heart:


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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7789291 - 12/22/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i preferred it the first way


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7790513 - 12/22/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

fuckin hippies... ditto


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: ShroomFan]
    #7791139 - 12/23/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7791730 - 12/23/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I believe that the essence of this teaching of yours is that we fall back upon the conditioning of our minds, when that conditioning is no longer even valid.

Which is an interesting point. In a capable species, of great evolutionary prowess, why would that species maintain outmoded models of thinking in spite of change? What purpose does that serve?


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: eve69]
    #7791777 - 12/23/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you fall back on that which after some effort has become foundation
you can change the foundation with the same kind of effort that built it in the first place.
but allowing approximately suitable conditioning to keep operating when not completely suitable is efficient and mature.
i.e. you would not always want to be retooling yourself to suit the continuously changing environment, but occasionally retool for conditions which show marked trend shifts.

we are intelligent, trainable and plastic - I guess there is an art to adjusting this or choreographing this to match the rhythms of change around us.


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7791781 - 12/23/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know. Not to argue, but people who have experienced great traumas develop mental conditioning which goes beyond psychiatry. It could even be said that some lessons from life are so punishing that they go deeply into the physical. I would posit that only some repetitive mental training could possibly hope to replace deep seated psycho-physiological habituation. But what I am saying is nothing new as the training of the yogics and tantrics is to liberate one from samsara - so mystics have followed procedures to this effect forever.


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: eve69]
    #7791783 - 12/23/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I said what you said redgreen, but my previous question was something like, is there some point to the mind holding onto outmoded modalities of thinking?


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: eve69]
    #7792050 - 12/23/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

let us say that the student imagined a wrong reason for his lesson, and then added more wrong reasons to fill the gaps that the wrong reasons made, and then added more complexity on top of that because of the tangled mess being unsatisfactory...

but what if the lesson was adaptation to change, and what if the student was Job (in the bible).

What falls away from Job as he learns his lesson is all the complexity and mysticism, all the interpretation of the will of the great one, until what is left is simply a good man, pure of heart, ready to relieve suffering and add joy.

the lesson learned, the pure heart being itself a worthy goal for this lump of animated clay, the path to reach it - nature itself, unpredictible, and on top of it all, no need to explain any of it, and all intelligence ready to add to the beauty of ongoing creation.

this should answer your question, but only obliquely, since it also declares that your question is unnecessary: more than anything this can show you how adding to any msticism is a mistake, and being simple and caring is enough attitude.


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Re: Seeing through the illusion, a knife through butter, in confusion. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7793266 - 12/23/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Isnt being simple and caring running against anything in nature?

I think what i gathered from what you said makes me ask this question; i think what you mean from over here is let things flow naturally because change is a process, unpredictable. Yet, its unpredictability is a source of prediction, because when you openly accept it as being only unpredictable, you assume a constancy. And all prediction is based on some idea of constancy through which it can be made...the constancy being, inconsistency.

Where we go from here?.... is a question that is inexistent, and illusion. It assumes that we are not everywhere in potential, already, in nature already.

I think all we do when we try to use tools to change ourselves, is initiate a perception that is devoid of the previous statements reality. We assume we are not potentially everywhere and only through our efforts then can we create the potential get somewhere. Yet, i ask you how you can even know this. Where is there proof to believe that we are everywhere or are not everywhere.

I think the proof lies in the fact that i think i need proof, to quell the fires of question that burns itself out, burning those who do not leave the question, as illusion.

COuld it be that we are and we are not? And if so, isnt this contradictory. Because if we are to be and not to be, are we being - being and not being?

Oh man....i get it.

We can be being; being and not being. It would be like saying; we are the the(this grammer error intentional) peace makers. There is no need for the second THE or the second Being because it does not change to the meaning.

We are being and not being. We are being creators and not creators. It seems clearly nessecary, yet only because it was foggly errnous heehehehehehehhe yagayagagaggayaaaaa

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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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