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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! *DELETED*
    #7788323 - 12/22/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: eve69]
    #7788338 - 12/22/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If existence exists, then inexistence must as well.

What is, cannot only be in the space of what is not. They reciprocally capacitate each other.

Being one with it all, includes it all. Illusion and reality. What is and what isnt.:heart:

I have a hard time accepting what isnt, as readily as i accept what is.

But once again, fluidity cannot exist without stagnation.

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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: eve69]
    #7788649 - 12/22/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I can dig it.


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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! *DELETED* [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7788706 - 12/22/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: eve69]
    #7788796 - 12/22/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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This topic is for those students of mysticism who have experienced transcendence of relativism. You know who you are. You have spend some time in yoga or samadhi. you have experienced the bliss of kundalini. you have moved all varietal winds into the avaduti or central channel. You have parlayed mind into something free therefrom.

In Dzokchen trekchod one realizes that this is the essential nature of ones person, this being free from mentalism, and thus, because that is so, one is nothing more nor less than the same full dignity of perpetual being than any other time, place, object, person, or thing.

Thus one only is this essential being, no matter what occurs, ever, through all experience, and all time.

Can someone dig that? That's it! There's nothing else.




There is lots else IMO. That is an aspect of being. No proof that it is the essential nature (oh how lovely if it turns out to be true). Many people never experience what you describe and it would be impossible to state that what each person calls transcendence is the same thing. All people do however IMO feel the sexual impulse no matter if they sublimate or not. This could more well be called the "essential nature"


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: eve69]
    #7788832 - 12/22/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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While that which changes not, is oneself




What is "that which changes not"?

That old master Lao-Tzu said that those who talk don't know, and those who know don't talk. So lemme ask you this: if you know all this, then why the verbosity?


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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: dblaney]
    #7789343 - 12/22/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's a yogic breath thing - as in -wasted.


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    #7789363 - 12/22/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: eve69]
    #7789366 - 12/22/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I mean, if someone quotes Lao Tzu they should at least have the experience of the Dao. Or else why bother? Duh.


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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: eve69]
    #7791111 - 12/23/07 12:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It's a yogic breath thing - as in -wasted.




What does this mean?

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Besides fuck Lao Tzu, he hasn't said a word lately and as far as I can tell, not a single thing he ever wrote has had the slightest bit of importance on anyone's life.




Well that's simply not true. Lao Tzu's writings form the basis for the philosophy and religion of Taoism, which greatly influenced much of Chinese culture, thought, and religion. When Buddhism came to China, Taoism merged with it to create Zen Buddhism. These ideas have impacted the lives of thousands upon thousands of people.

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I mean, gee whiz, can't I speak without getting my head bit? It's not my fault nobody has aspired to yogic samadhi. Which isn't some philosophy. But practical experience.




Relax man. Nobody's attacking you.

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I mean, if someone quotes Lao Tzu they should at least have the experience of the Dao. Or else why bother? Duh.




Why should such an experience be a pre-requisite?

And by the same logic, shouldn't someone have fully realized the highest teachings of Dzogchen before trying to point them out to others?


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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: dblaney]
    #7791724 - 12/23/07 07:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, my bad. Sorry.


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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: eve69]
    #7792046 - 12/23/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So...what, you're not up for discussing your arguments?

Are my arguments that perfect and un-questionable?


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    #7792676 - 12/23/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: For no good reason - Dzogkchen Trekchod- Okay, Here goes! [Re: eve69]
    #7793645 - 12/23/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Okay, you write - should experience of Dao be a prerequisite to discussion of it. To which I will answer, yes. Then you say I should have fully realized the highest teachings of Dzogchen to point out anything about it. To which I will answer that you have equivocated in the sense of bathos, from the sublime to the rediculous, but in reverse which is to say, from nothing to total realization of something extreme. All I would ask before discussion of driving cars is that someone has had the experience and is not talking from the bicycle seat. One need not have driven something with twelve cylinders which goes 210 MPH to know what acceleration feels like and how driving a car can benefit and so on.




Does this not seem like a contradictory double standard to you? That it's okay to discuss Dzogchen without the experience of realization, yet it's not okay to even quote a Taoist teacher without the experience of the Tao?

Furthermore, what is the experience of the Tao? Is there one specific experience that is Tao, and another experience that is somehow not Tao? If you say yes, then you speak from a dualistic mind. If you say no, then you invalidate your argument.

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From the first line I specified that it would take the experience of samadhi at least to understand what I'd written.




The first line you wrote was:
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This topic is for those students of mysticism who have experienced transcendence of relativism.




This board is about the discussion of ideas. If your idea is only relevant and discuss-able by some self-defined group of elites, perhaps this thread belongs in M&P.

But since it is in P&S, I must ask: what is transcendence of relativism? The phrase itself suggests that there is something beyond the relative? What is this absolute?


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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