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Thought everything went good... What happened???
    #7787935 - 12/22/07 02:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I grew Cambodian strain using a PF Tek but I had to substitute BRF for White Rice Flour. Everything seemed to go ust fine. Colinized nicely took a little while to start pinning but after that all was fine. Started getting to harvest point and we would harvest and dry. Finally we had a full flush and collected the shrooms and had about 8g dry and me and him split them but did not really trip. What could have been the problem here? The substrate with the WRF instead of the BRF? I got the spores from spores101 so i didnt think i got ripped off from them. Just not sure what the deal is... any thoughts please help me out.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: djcorus86]
    #7787960 - 12/22/07 02:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you had read a bit before substituting things randomly you would have found out that white rice flour will give non active shrooms, as the outer husk of the rice (what makes it brown, and what is taken off to make white rice) contains all the important fats and proteins necessary for the synthesis of the active compounds.

I'm sorry for your results, but this is what you get for not following instructions and not researching properly.

On the positive side, you have now proven that you are capable of doing successful grows, so next time, if you use brown rice, you will get very good results.

PS: Can I ask you a question? Why did you substitute the rice?


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: Nibin]
    #7787961 - 12/22/07 02:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, and don't worry too much, you are about the third or fourth to ask this question this month. You aren't alone.

Better luck next time


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: Nibin]
    #7787962 - 12/22/07 02:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wasnt sure where to get BRF. Plus I had read that WRF was able to be substituted but I did not read about the non active part. Guess I need to get Better sources than the internet. But thank you for pointing me in the right direction.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: djcorus86]
    #7787964 - 12/22/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

One question... Do you know if we use spore from this batch of mushrooms if we use BRF will they become active or do I need to buy new spores?


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: djcorus86]
    #7787969 - 12/22/07 03:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

they are not active because there was not enough nutrients . you can make your own brown rice flour , just bye brown rice grain and grind it to flour if you can't find it . I'm sorry to hear all your efforts are gone now , but if you used the search function and type white rice flour you would find your answer , and not spend a month for waiting not active shrooms . and to anser your question it doesnt have anything related with the spores , same spores with a more nutritious substrate like brown rice flour will produce active shrooms .
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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: whereismymind]
    #7787971 - 12/22/07 03:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks... I know need to read better next time. Good learning experiance tho. I know I can do it!


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: djcorus86]
    #7787972 - 12/22/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Problem with white rice is that it is basically starch. As other nutrients will be missing I'm not sure the spores will be viable.

My (slightly educated) guess is that, if the spores are able to germinate, then you should have no problem growing them (and they would be active) but there is a possibility that the spores are not viable due to the nutritional deficiencies of white rice.

Let's see if RogerRabbit or another old hand wanders in and answers the question exactly.

Next time you want to substitute something, so a quick search using the forum search function. Your question has probably been asked before and in 60 seconds it will be answered. If you can't find a post that solves your issue post here and somebody will give you an answer.

You can find brown rice in any supermarket and at health food stores. It doesn't even have to be organic, even if it is preferred.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: Nibin]
    #7787981 - 12/22/07 03:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I'm accutally just picked up some brown rice and made it into flour yesterday i was gonna start new batch very soon. So I hope I have luck with these spores that I got.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: djcorus86]
    #7787983 - 12/22/07 03:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

good luck to you in your new batch , it sucks that you have to wait another 30 days at least =/


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: whereismymind]
    #7787985 - 12/22/07 03:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know where to turn for help but I think this next one will go pretty good. Round 2 seems lucky.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: Nibin]
    #7787986 - 12/22/07 03:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All is not all lost, at least you know you have your procedures down and can grow them.

Pick up some brown rice , grind it into flower using a coffee grinder or blender.

Brown rice flour can usally be found in health food shops, thats where i found it.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7787990 - 12/22/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It just sucks I'm in the middle of no where with no health food shops. But I bought brown Rice and its all ground up ready to go.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: djcorus86]
    #7788019 - 12/22/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

wait a minute... white flour gives INACTIVE samples... holy crap. This could be extremely useful in cultivation of supposedly illicit specimens! This is a clearly exploitable loop hole in US law. This must be further examined. This allows experimentation free of law interference. Most people might not care or see how this could be useful... I can't believe I didn't see this before.

It's time to head to the bat cave...


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: Crake]
    #7788021 - 12/22/07 03:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Im not quite sure of that, while they might seem inactives i would imagine that they would still have trace amounts of actives, just not enough for them to work.

Mycelium grown with brf has actives in them but generaly not enough for you to trip, not until the mushrooms grow.


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Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7788030 - 12/22/07 03:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I can assure you that the mycelium (of b+ at least) is for the most part legally safe. I know of a person who has had cakes confiscated and lab tested for psilocybe type chemicals and the tests came back and charges were dropped. I believe he is right. If 1% actives by volume is enough to do what it does... I would imagine less than this would be VERY hard to test for without massively expensive equipment and lab personnel etc. There is only one way to know for certain... Crake, do your thing man... be careful.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: whereismymind]
    #7788045 - 12/22/07 04:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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they are not active because there was not enough nutrients .



are you sure about this?? This sort of sound like bullshit. I doupt this guy geneticaly made a mushroom that is inactive. I would think the pores would be fine.

as for the mushrooms being weak becasue of substrate. I find that equadors are weak when grown on wbs. This is the only strain affected by this. B+. gt.tc.pes. all have been fine but the eq always come up short


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: tahoe]
    #7788050 - 12/22/07 04:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thats very odd, my first succesfull grow was EQ on BRF and they were plenty potent.

I wonder if anyone else has had the same problem.


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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7788057 - 12/22/07 04:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

this was eq on wbs. It is the only mushroom that i have had friends complain about being bunk!
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Re: Thought everything went good... What happened??? [Re: tahoe]
    #7788076 - 12/22/07 05:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ill keep that in mind for WBS

Was that spawned or just straight cased??? i would have thought that if it was spawned to poo there would be plenty of the right nuitrients.

nevermind

its 12:15pm over here, been up since 9.30am

Im off to work soon :smile:


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Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
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