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What do you think of Salvia?
    #7786098 - 12/21/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm just wondering what people think about Salvia and its use as an entheogen.
What do you think of Salvia?
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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7786110 - 12/21/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think it sucks


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Atheist]
    #7786117 - 12/21/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's too potent for most people if they ever breakthrough with it.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7786121 - 12/21/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm just wondering what people think about useless polls.




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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Hippyflip]
    #7786124 - 12/21/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

*polls


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Atheist]
    #7786173 - 12/21/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

None of the options really apply for me. I've never used it in a serious way, so I'm not sure of the legitimate use of it. All I've done is take bong tokes with friends, laugh for 5 minutes, then its done.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Atheist]
    #7786178 - 12/21/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Have only tried a few times, x5 extract, either wasnt strong enough for me to break through or my technique wasnt to good.

I almost broke threw once, got very confused, was in 3 places at the same, inside and outside, sinking into the couch, leaning on a wall.

Lasted for 2 minutes.

Never tried it since, i didnt like the "gravity" effect as its coming on.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Crasher]
    #7786185 - 12/21/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia is some scary shit. I've tried it in every reasonable dosage from trivial to moderate, always with careful and thorough mental preparation, and now that I've done it at each level a handful of times, ONLY with trepidation.

Overall, not a particularly pleasant experience. The sudden and extreme departure from normal sensorium into the salvia head space is very unsettling. VERY different from any other substance I've ever used. The only "positive" is that it is over in a matter of minutes in real time, which can seem like an eternity with the time dilation it is capable of producing.

A sober sitter is STRONGLY recommended. Sitting or lying down should be considered mandatory. A fairly dark, quiet, and secure setting will help minimize panic/paranoia. You may very well be utterly unaware you've done a drug (or who you are, for that matter) and will likely wonder if you'll ever come back to any semblance of normalcy. That's where your trip sitter comes in, to remind/reassure you that you WILL be back, and to trust your "wetware."

NOT a party drug in the least. No insights, just hallucinations of the highest, wildest order. Someone once said (of the Universe, not salvia, but it fits) "It is not just stranger than you imagine, it is stranger than you CAN imagine."

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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #7786192 - 12/21/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Nature Boy said:
Salvia is some scary shit.  I've tried it in every reasonable dosage from trivial to moderate, always with careful and thorough mental preparation, and now that I've done it at each level a handful of times, ONLY with trepidation.

Overall, not a particularly pleasant experience.  The sudden and extreme departure from normal sensorium into the salvia head space is very unsettling.  VERY different from any other substance I've ever used.  The only "positive" is that it is over in a matter of minutes in real time, which can seem like an eternity with the time dilation it is capable of producing.

A sober sitter is STRONGLY recommended.  Sitting or lying down should be considered mandatory.  A fairly dark, quiet, and secure setting will help minimize panic/paranoia.  You may very well be utterly unaware you've done a drug (or who you are, for that matter) and will likely wonder if you'll ever come back to any semblance of normalcy.  That's where your trip sitter comes in, to remind/reassure you that you WILL be back, and to trust your "wetware."

NOT a party drug in the least.  No insights, just hallucinations of the highest, wildest order.  Someone once said (of the Universe, not salvia, but it fits) "It is not just stranger than you imagine, it is stranger than you CAN imagine."

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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Atheist]
    #7786194 - 12/21/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheist said:
i think it sucks




Scarred the shit out of me.

Horrible shit.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Atheist]
    #7786198 - 12/21/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't really have chose any of those options.

I pick...um...

It's fucking amazing, super intense, wonderful illustration of the psychedelic experience all wrapped up in a few minutes time.

This BLAST FUCKING PUNCH IN THE FACE method of... experiencing turns oh so many people off. Oh so many people don't want to let go. That's fine. If everyone let go, the world would be a very different place.

Which I know is the idea, but fucking, we need to stabilize the economy before we can start switching that shit over.

Back to salvia. It's amazing in all the right ways.

I roll fucking fat ass blunts of half dro and half 10x salvia, mixed throughly before put in the blunt, ya know, so it burns evenly and is a nice distribution of salvia and weed.

I'll do that, and rip it out of a bong, pipe, whenever it needs to happen.

It doesn't happen often, only for the reason that it's sometimes easier to work in the environments mush and LSD provide, and I'd rather put my money toward those, but if its there, there is no hesitation.

I have no problems with the salvia plant.

GIVE IT TO ME, I WILL SMOKE IT FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE NOT YET LEARNED HOW TO BE A MAN.

This post is fucking ridiculous. I am not the short, to the point, fork-tongued mean prick I usually am. I should have mentioned I dosed about... goin on 2 and a half hours now. My bad.

But salvia... GOOD, GOOD STUFF. FUN, AMAZING, INSIGHTFUL, USEFUL, POWERFUL FUCKING TOOL. If you didn't like it, it wasn't your time to do it. Keep it right there next to you on standby until IT IS YOUR TIME.

AND YOU WILL KNOW IT IS YOUR TIME BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER FEELING LIKE IT.

Ok?

Fuck, people.

Salvia loves you and only wants you to be happy, she's sorry she's so fucking hard on you, but she only wants to be efficient and get you to the point quickly so you can do something REAL with yourselves in your short god damned ~70 years here. You know what I'm saying?

Go ahead and layer your experiences all day like redgreenvines talks about, thats how it works anyway, and you're more than welcome to do it slowly with mush and acid, I do it, it's slow, great, love it, awesome.

Salvia just wants to speed it up for you a bit.

That's all.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7786251 - 12/21/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

no you do not roll saliva you have not hardly experienced it.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: budmanman]
    #7786377 - 12/21/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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no you do not roll saliva you have not hardly experienced it.




You most certainly can roll salvia. Half bud half 10x salvia in a blunt.

Doesn't even have to be 10x, that's just what I have used, but wouldn't be against using anything else.

Mix it up real thorough before you put it in so it burns even. It will be VERY different from a blunt of just weed.

It will not be a breakthrough, no. That isn't the idea.

That's what the bong and pipes are for.

I have all kinds of experiences with salvia.

Not every experience needs to be a breakthrough to be experienced.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7786416 - 12/21/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia is to Psychedelics as Wario Ware Inc. is to video games.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wario_Ware

It is like a random collection of mental tricks, micro in comparison to other psychedelics.

Each experience is practically even more wild and different from the next (for me and my friends at least), yet each experience seems to follow an overall set of rules, sometimes convoluted by the varitey.

Occasionally you will get a micro game that is a chore, much fun, clever and creative, a BOSS fight...In this case I'd say Salvia has a Gestalt to it: The sum of the parts are greater than the whole. There is much to gain.

No matter how many times you die off of Salvia, you'll brain will always reset itself. I'm pretty sure.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7786495 - 12/21/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i like it... a lot.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: maggotz]
    #7786506 - 12/21/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's fun to grow.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Premedman1]
    #7786537 - 12/21/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just know that it's scary as fuck. You won't know what's going on, to say the least. It's very hard to have a good trip your first time because, as somebody above me said quite well, you don't have the ability to imagine how strange this shit is. It's like trying to imagine what tripping is like before you've ever tripped. You can read about it but you can't know it.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7786585 - 12/21/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Very brief, very bizarre, most don't know how to use it so they give up after the first or second time of not breaking through and leave it at that. Puts me into slow motion. Makes music sound frightening to me. Crazy.

It's alright, not my cup of tea really. Every now and then it's cool.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Robo]
    #7786606 - 12/21/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

its a priceless tool for contacting the spirit realm...


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Robo]
    #7786608 - 12/21/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Intense, not bad. Just intense.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7786730 - 12/21/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

love it
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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7786890 - 12/21/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think it's like what graphite must feel like when it's turning into a comic strip


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7787091 - 12/21/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i never really broke through with the head shop extracts, just got the light forcefield feelings but one day i tried some dried regular salvia from cali and it blew my world away... i took 2 hits in the bong and held the second in for a long, long time.. well needless to say i was sitting on the couch when i hit the bong and somehow came through and was on the floor with the bong still in my hand laughing and i dont remember geting off the couch... it was like the part on the matrix where everyhing zoomed away into white and the guns came out on racks.. well the couches in the living room did that.. the other couple experiences i had with salvia were very different and frightened me so i havent touched it since.. i dont think it has any recreational value at all..


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: camelsmoker]
    #7787123 - 12/21/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I absolutely hate the stuff
While I've never had what I would consider a bad trip, but salvia was the closest one to it

It's not really a normal psychedelic, which is why erowid classifies it as atypical psychedelic.
It's more of a sensory mindfuck than anything else

To me it seems like it has a mischievous nature to it, like when you smoke it someone is laughing at you going "haha you just smoked some bad hallucinogen man"
It's like you give yourself up into a complete looney tune world, that isn't just bizzare, but also just feels plain wrong.
The trip is not enjoyable at all. Which is why those who like salvia don't even use it to get to the highest levels.
Also it makes you sweaty as hell which in itself sucks, but while tripping on salvia can be way worse, which was the case for me. When I smoked it for the first time, I melted into my couch and when I tried to get up the sweatiness compounded the experience and I felt like I was tearing my own flesh out of a part of me (the couch). Then everything folded into an alien looking face with 6 eyes and 2 mouths, one of was ont he side of the face, and I was an eyebrow in that face and thats how I thought I was going to exist forever.

How can I summarize salvia? - Its a fucked up ass random trip and while it does carry some insight with it, the discomfort of the trip is just not worth it to me.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7787287 - 12/21/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

^^^sally isn't for everybody..

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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7787736 - 12/22/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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To me it seems like it has a mischievous nature to it,




I know what you mean.

I've experimented with Salvia on a few occasions, always approaching it with extreme caution especially after reading mindfuck trip reports. I dabbled with 40x and 10x. The 10x was from an on-line vendor, and the 40x a head shop variety. The 10x was, without a doubt, vastly stronger than the 40. The come up was within seconds of inhalation (bong) usually accomponied with instantaneously giggle fits and then peaking with a bizzare and random halucination.

The hallucinations strike me as very odd. To me, it feels as if the world inside my head and the world outside my head has changed places. What I mean to say is, on a sober mind my internal mind perceives the "real" world. During a salvia trip I never lose touch with the real world no matter how strong it is. But the world inside my head becomes intensely vivid. What I am thinking can be seen very very very clearly (not that I have any control over what I am thinking). As the drug takes hold and the effects peak, the hallucination gets stronger and more vivid.

I often find myself in strange rooms, or in surreal almost magical places. I know I am still physically in my bedroom or wherever I was before I smoked. I can feel I am still there. The experience can be almost entirely mental, aside from the weird body buzz that feels like my body is a wireframe that is constantly moving (if that makes any sense). Other times if I open my eyes everything around me can look mixed up and out of place. Dejavu can be insane. I often feel like I am in another dimension. My god, portals.

I also experience auditory hallucinations. Usually its a simple rhythmic pattern similar in nature to ones before it, but most certainly like a theme track that is looping and expressing sentiments like: "you are going insane, you are going insane, you are going insane, you are going insane" except represented as "evil" sounding, chaotic music.

I did notice with the 40x that the trip was twice as long and the come up much slower. Whereas a small bowl of 10x would send me sky high it would take a tightly packed bowl of 40 to get me to the same level. I had deeper insight with the 40 since the experience was much longer. The wall was covered with what looked like eyes projected and rolling endlessly on a conveyor belt.

I can babble endlessly about Salvia. I've never had a bad trip, but I've never had a comfortable one either. The sentiment that Salvia is mischievous is very accurate to what I've encountered. Its like Salvia plays with your mind but as long as you are careful and respectful of what you ingest, you should be okay.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Tattoo]
    #7787777 - 12/22/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



I am no psychedelic artist (obviously), but I felt compelled to try and recreate one of the most brightly lit and vivid things I saw on my most intense salvia trips.

Basically, I left my body and was in another world entirely. I visualized myself falling backwards through a tunnel and this is what I saw. The box frame on the top right was actually a window frame that was my connection (or portal) to my original world. I fell away from it until it was gone, along side me the entire time was this bizarre yellow brick wall (almost like lego bricks) and on the other side a playground of dancing geometric shapes essentially as the color you see them. I had the impression they were calling me to the other side.

Has anyone else experienced a hallucination as profound as I have? I feel sort of alone in this


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Tattoo]
    #7787816 - 12/22/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia is the fucking craziest shit ever, holy fuck! I remember the first time I actually broke through. My sober mind can't even begin to comprehend what happened in those few minutes I had with Salvia. There was entities there that always try to show you something but it seems you never have enough time to spend with 'em.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7787914 - 12/22/07 02:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Only smoked it once, in the woods. By the third hit I didn't know where I was, I also felt like something was pushing me over. Man, I really wanna breakthrough on Salvia.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7788291 - 12/22/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's simply amazing, What else can I say?


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7788306 - 12/22/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

None of the answers in the poll correspond to my thoughts on sally.
Sally is awesome but not because of any knowledge. It is hellafun.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: PsilocybinMind]
    #7788312 - 12/22/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

this doesn't get said enough, or at least doesn't get practiced enough, but every time i've talked to someone that hasn't been able to break through they used a bic style lighter.

USE A BUTANE TORCH!!!

i used all caps so everyone knows i'm serious. A butane torch is much more effective. I'm not saying you can't get there using a traditional flame lighter, i'm just saying it's much easier to get there with a torch. If you don't believe me fucking try it.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: doitagain]
    #7788371 - 12/22/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i had an insane salvia trip just last night, and holy fuck it was really insane.

i made a thread about it here... if u wanna read the report.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: doitagain]
    #7788376 - 12/22/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

dude bics work fine


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7788388 - 12/22/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've only tried 10x and 20x and I don't really enjoy it. I remember my last Salvia experience: I smoked a bowl's worth, then stumbled over to my bed and lied down, where I proceeded to sense two entities; one on my left and one on my right. I distinctly felt a female presence and a male, but couldn't differentiate between the two. Aside from the common physical aspects (skin crawling, heavy body, etc), that was the only 'hallucinatory' effect I experienced. Maybe I should've experienced the real stuff rather than extract, but oh well.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7788793 - 12/22/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia just reminds me that I need to take shrooms again (its been 4 yrs, currently have some about to fruit)
Salvia just doesn't last long enough for me to gain any insight. There are crazy hallucinations but not enough time to really explore them. I think the craziest thing of all is the invisible entity that stands to the right of me as the salvia takes effect, its like he/she is mocking me and their presence is so real!


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Atheist]
    #7788871 - 12/22/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i'm not saying bics don't work, i'm just saying torches more effectively, if you've never tried it with a torch it definitely gets you more mileage.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: doitagain]
    #7788962 - 12/22/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



If you don't have a shaman mindset, you may get nothing from salvia but fear.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Tattoo]
    #7789676 - 12/22/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Has anyone else experienced a hallucination as profound as I have? I feel sort of alone in this




You're not alone, All the high level salvia trips are around the same level.

What happened to me on my trip was I melted into the couch, and tried to get up and when I did this, the sweatiness on my back combined with the hallucination made it feel like I was tearing a chunk of myself (my body) out of myself (the couch). Then once I got up the whole world peeled off starting from the corner of my left eye and made a sort of arching motion, while it was doing that I saw lot of images of my life, both past and future, however there were so many and it was so fast that I couldn't make any of them out except for the first one, it was like a lightspeed information download to my brain, however when I come across those images in real life I immediately remember them. When the images stopped the world folded into an alien like face, it had 6 eyes and 2 mouths, one of which was on the side, and no hair or ears, but it did have eyebrows. I was an eyebrow in that face, whenever I tried to move, it would be the eyebrow moving in that face. Nothing else existed besides that face, and I forgot that I was even human before this, I thought that that's how reality always was and always will be - nothing but a giant alien face with me as its eyebrow.


Also I remember having auditory hallucinations as well, but not during the main part of the trip, It was like a young child laughing, probably that more than anything was what made me think of salvia as having a mischievous nature


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7789905 - 12/22/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i find it weird that ppl get bad trips on them
me and all my friends pretty much from start 2 finish
are just crakin up nonstop
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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Tattoo]
    #7791603 - 12/23/07 05:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Tattoo said:
Has anyone else experienced a hallucination as profound as I have? I feel sort of alone in this.

You are definitely NOT alone, bro.

One summer afternoon (which coincidentally happened the same day as an airshow in our area) I took a couple of hits in my bedroom. A C-150 or similar multi-engine cargo plane picked that moment to fly over my house. As the doppler shifted engine-sound passed by (you know, the drop in frquency and volume as a plane, car or train passes) everything in my field of view began to smear and swirl in a counterclockwise direction as if it were preparing to go down some invisible drain somewhere directly in front of me.

As the plane passed over, the top of the swirl which was comprised of my smeared and spinning bedroom got dragged off to the left from the 12:00 position as if it were suddenly tethered to the tail of the plane, slowly drawing my visual reality into a gradually lengthening comma and unrolling/unraveling my room, furniture, wall, rug, etc... and dragging it off to my left, out of my view.

When you are unaware that this has occurred from the self-administration of a drug, this is pretty frightening and fucked-up stuff. No amount of mental preparation will help you keep your composure when shit like this happens AND you are unaware/have forgotten that it is a drug effect that will wear off. I've never been able to take the message with me into the salvia headspace that I've just done a drug. I almost never remember my name or anything about myself until I'm back. This, on very good 10X. This is why I VERY strongly suggest a sober trip sitter.

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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: landlord75]
    #7792113 - 12/23/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hi, Landlord75:

I wish there was some mental technique that would help me carry the recollection or knowledge that Lady S was responsible for the shift in sensorium - that way I might be better able to cope with some of the surprising, unpredictable, and utterly strange visions she is capable of producing. Lord knows I've tried meditating and concentrating on that "message" to bring it with me, but it invariably (at least up until now) gets obliterated along with my ego.

Being unable to carry that awareness across the shift in perspective is the number one reason I am reluctant to re-visit this (still legal in my state) entheogen. For better or worse, I seem to be particularly sensitive to Salvinorin A (and acid, too, but it has been >30 years since I last did that), so I need to tread VERY lightly with Salvia which is smoked or vaporized. Maybe someday I'll try the classic quid with plain leaf and see what that is like.

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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7792167 - 12/23/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I experienced ego-death and all sorts of issues with the ego, very insightful and terrifyingly frightening at times. Trip sitter is highly recommended, having bonged it alone and later with a sitter, too.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7796611 - 12/24/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Anything can be a tool... depends on how you look at it.

My empty soda can could be a tool to teach me something of myself.

Didn't you guys learn anything from Lucy?

Just kidding..but really I think it can be considered an entheogen. For me, it's learning to let go, and know that things will be alright. When you're on level 5, worlds away, and your geometric-looking arm is fusing with the side of a door--learn to let go and know reality will always be there.

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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: krosmo67]
    #7796634 - 12/24/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia is useful but IMHO in no way enjoyable.

It just physically feels shitty.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7797128 - 12/25/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's fun, but it provides no insight, and therefore is of great use to me


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Acyl]
    #7797133 - 12/25/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It's fun, but it provides no insight, and therefore is of great use to me




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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7797222 - 12/25/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its a fun trip.

It goes by too fast for me to have to deal with my personal demons etc.. because of this I enjoy it.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Acyl]
    #7797231 - 12/25/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Its a fun trip.

It goes by too fast for me to have to deal with my personal demons etc.. because of this I enjoy it.




Salvia..fun? You must not be doing it right lol.  BTW Merry Christmas, I like the Christmas themed shroomery :thumbup:


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7798047 - 12/25/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

salvia was a bit unpleasant, my first trip was real disorienting, i felt like i was walking down a series of zig zags, and i sweated like crazy too.



i would try it again with a stronger extract just to have a full blown trip, but its definately not something to get "high" off of and its not a party type substance


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: shaftmonkey]
    #7798224 - 12/25/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I had a Salvia trip where I felt like me and everyone else was part of this universal quilt, and the quilt was being unzipped in a zigzag direction, back and forth. It was... interesting? =x


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7798260 - 12/25/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There is no poll option for what my experience was with it.

It's the most powerful hallucinogen I've tried out of Cannabis, MDMA, Mushrooms, and LSD. Especially by weight. On 7g dried of mushrooms, I would probably still recognize my own name if someone called it enough. The same can't be said for a breakthrough on a 1/8g 20x hit of salvia for me. I don't get any real insight from the experience, it honestly just scares the hell out of me so bad that I have a new found appreciation for life & "normal reality". I guess in some ways the trip can metaphorically show you how useless having a negative attitude/lying/deceiving/etc. is, and how it can lead to your own personal hell. However, I had already had a mushroom trip with the same "theme" before I ever tried salvia.

I prefer mushrooms over salvia because the effects seem "less ancient". On a mushroom peak I feel like I'm communicating with old spirits, & relating to them. On salvia, I just feel like I'm becoming "one with matter". There's nothing "dreamy" about salvia.

another weird little thought I had: Mushrooms seem to bring me to thoughts of a SPIRIT creating all things (even quantum mechanics, etc...), whereas salvia argues, and tells me that the PHYSICS is what was responsible for the spirit/consciousness/whatevah. I know I'm kinda wording this in a bad way, as it's not like hallucinogens actually tell you things, or force you what to think. I'm just saying the two types of trips influence me to think different things about the source of life.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: CMACD]
    #7798355 - 12/25/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia has changed my life. I've written down all my trips in a notebook, every time I've broken through I've had an incredible experience that I still carry with me today. I don't have that notebook with me right now, it's at my Dad's house, but the last trip I took two nights ago I wrote on my computer (excuse the poor grammar and articulation, I was describing it to a friend on the phone while typing it to a friend online right after the come down). A little background though, I smoke Salvia to gain insight and learn a lesson from it. I will not do it at college, only when I'm home, in my bedroom. I turn off all the lights and all electronics except for a lamp next to my bed. I burn incense, and have no noise at all. I lay on my bed, smoke three to four hits (depending when I feel the initial buzz, I take one more hit to put me over the threshold), then turn the light off and close my eyes and off I go. Anyway:



preface: smoked three hits of 10x out of my pipe, all lights and everything off in my room and laying on my bed with incense
i made sure not to be thinking about anything before smoking it because i hate starting a trip going "am i tripping yet? how about now" cause it makes it confusing and shitty
so anyway
all of a sudden my reality is just being fractured
my mouth was splitting
into like a flower/hexagon of identical realities
and i was totally immersed in it, forgot i had smoked, forgot everything and i started to come back to reality cause i got scared
so i started breathing really heavily and i thought that i might die because i forgot to breathe
so i was trying to rationalize it and it just made it more confusing and intense
so i was like you cant die from salvia just let it go
my mouth was splitting, and then i entered one of those realities and i became the furniture in the corner of my room
i was my bed, the chair, the wall, everyuthing
so i was scared and still gasping for air and i managed to calm myself down again and come ack to reality sort of
basically convinced myself i had smoked salvia and id be ok
and then all of a sudden the room was back to one dimension and everything was flowing and jelly like
everything was a tentacle
on the cosmic anemone
thats how i could describe it best haha
there was a universal flat layer and everything coming up from it was one of the tentacles
and outside of this reality was all black, just pure blackness, and there was a force pushing and pulling and making the tentacles wave around
basically like in a tank, the infinite (the black) is the water, and reality is the anemone's mass and all real perceived things are tentacles on it
and the infinite has a force that makes all the tentacles flow
what i experienced was very similar to taoism
and during this experience, i got very lonely, because i had wanted to share this experience with someone
and i realized theres an innate human desire to share experience with someone, to unify
what drives us to have sex is that sex is the ultimate shared experience with a person, you two become one, one with the infinite, the black, the water, and thus is communication with the divine


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Coaster]
    #7799926 - 12/26/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Coaster!

That's the coolest salvia inspired art I've seen!

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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7799954 - 12/26/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Nah, I was doing it right.

I gotta admit, the actual trip isnt always very enjoyable (breakthroughs).. but after its like I just rode some badass rollercoaster.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Acyl]
    #7799966 - 12/26/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Nah, I was doing it right.

I gotta admit, the actual trip isnt always very enjoyable (breakthroughs).. but after its like I just rode some badass rollercoaster.




It's nucking futs fo sho! I honestly can't really remember the first "Flash" of the trip because it's so fucking nuts the mind can only comprehend so much.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7800195 - 12/26/07 06:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

quite weird experience... different perception that's for sure. all the time could sense someone's else presence while on it and my brain felt like it was cut in a half with 30-40 degrees angle... weird feeling.
my cousin told me he's got 60x extract... looking forward to check it out.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: mescalinaz]
    #7800378 - 12/26/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"What do you think of Salvia?"

I think; HOLY FUCK


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Coaster]
    #7801200 - 12/26/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia is not meant to be smoked. Thats why most people report bad experiences, you just get a glimpse of terror.
You should use the quid method or a sublingual solution.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: monlite]
    #7801381 - 12/26/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its not meant to be smoked?


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Acyl]
    #7801411 - 12/26/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think what he's saying is that the shamans didn't smoke it they used it sublingually, but that doesn't mean it's not meant to be smoked.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: doitagain]
    #7801479 - 12/26/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My true answer would be that it works, it is very intense, but it sucks. I tried it a few times to make sure, and yes, it sucks. Smoking it just makes me want it to be done and over with. It was what I imagine standing in front of a leaf fire while huffing a spray can would be like. But, it works. You'll be "out there" for a brief bit if that is what you are looking for. Is it introspective? It can split your ego into perceiver and actor, which is annoying... It can take you back to exactly how you felt one afternoon at 10:29 in 3rd grade. But, it's so very uncomfortable to get there and back. Personally, I don't like it.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: 04281969]
    #7801492 - 12/26/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just saw a report about it on inside edition... I fucking hate stuff like that. Please, if there is a god, please strike down the Chidesters... :thumbdown:


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: krosmo67]
    #7819157 - 01/01/08 07:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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krosmo67 said:
Anything can be a tool... depends on how you look at it.

My empty soda can could be a tool to teach me something of myself.

Didn't you guys learn anything from Lucy?

Just kidding..but really I think it can be considered an entheogen. For me, it's learning to let go, and know that things will be alright. When you're on level 5, worlds away, and your geometric-looking arm is fusing with the side of a door--learn to let go and know reality will always be there.

Let it go.





I just read that on salvia, and yeah, geaomtrical shit is happening ,
like my lips are being pulled into that sentence :P
WOW crazyness...

Yeah i like salvia, but i hate the feeling of being pulled in random directions on different parts of my body.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: RedRainDrop]
    #7819222 - 01/01/08 07:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the salvia entity is the most predominant aspect of the experience for me
the trip is always just the salvia entity
"she" often glares at me with an air of disdain
sometimes kids with me
like trying to "cover me up" by merging the information of my body and mind with something else
once my roommate mentioned that he thought the sound vibrations coming from the speakers outward (several feet away) were actually the back of his head
i can relate

after I come down i'm often astonished that I am alone

when I come up I am astonished at how fucking serious it is. sometimes its like the salvia keeps saying 'how dare you burn me? how dare you?' all with attitude though, not in words.

sometimes she layers reality onto me deliciously and lovingly


when the trip ends, it is not just that the trip is over, or has faded out of memory. what has happened is beyond what I even can suppose.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #7819810 - 01/01/08 11:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Salvia is some scary shit. I've tried it in every reasonable dosage from trivial to moderate, always with careful and thorough mental preparation, and now that I've done it at each level a handful of times, ONLY with trepidation.

Overall, not a particularly pleasant experience. The sudden and extreme departure from normal sensorium into the salvia head space is very unsettling. VERY different from any other substance I've ever used. The only "positive" is that it is over in a matter of minutes in real time, which can seem like an eternity with the time dilation it is capable of producing.

A sober sitter is STRONGLY recommended. Sitting or lying down should be considered mandatory. A fairly dark, quiet, and secure setting will help minimize panic/paranoia. You may very well be utterly unaware you've done a drug (or who you are, for that matter) and will likely wonder if you'll ever come back to any semblance of normalcy. That's where your trip sitter comes in, to remind/reassure you that you WILL be back, and to trust your "wetware."

NOT a party drug in the least. No insights, just hallucinations of the highest, wildest order. Someone once said (of the Universe, not salvia, but it fits) "It is not just stranger than you imagine, it is stranger than you CAN imagine."

My $.02
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I agree about 98%. Salvia is a very strange, almost always uncomfortable experience for me. However, i continue to use it because i do find it useful in a few ways. I agree that the average user will not experience will not come to any particular insites or revelations with salvia use, though a well prepared and open minded tripper can. Salvia will not so much as "open your mind" like shrooms or acid, as it will strait up confront you with thing you may not like to think about.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: teaparty]
    #7819873 - 01/01/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

salvia is a total mindfuk

its bullshit all these highschoolers in the US flock to headshops buying that shit legally, its a dangerous legal high.

I just wonder how many jumpers came from the gravity twist alone.

dont do that shit- or if you do, have a freind to watch you---it's a long ass 10-15secs.

in the US
weed/shrooms = crime
salvia= legal

thats just fuked dood


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7820031 - 01/01/08 01:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I like to mix the Salvia with Wild Dagga and  Blue Lily of the Nile. It make a vary nice smoke blend. I find it makes the Salvia more enjoyable. Try it.  :gethigh:



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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: 04281969]
    #7820253 - 01/01/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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My true answer would be that it works, it is very intense, but it sucks. I tried it a few times to make sure, and yes, it sucks. Smoking it just makes me want it to be done and over with. It was what I imagine standing in front of a leaf fire while huffing a spray can would be like. But, it works. You'll be "out there" for a brief bit if that is what you are looking for. Is it introspective? It can split your ego into perceiver and actor, which is annoying... It can take you back to exactly how you felt one afternoon at 10:29 in 3rd grade. But, it's so very uncomfortable to get there and back. Personally, I don't like it.




That is a great answer 04281969. After the first time I smoked it I said to myself "holy shit what the hell was that". I think there is some benefits to be found in it, but I'm still searching for clear cut guidelines about usage. For example the shamans have used it for centuries for healing we know, yet I've seen nothing so far about the specifics of the rituals. On top of that you get the usual jargon about how you should smoke it or shouldn't, or no you need to chew it to show respect to the salvia plant yada yada yada, yes you can vaporize it, no you can't, and you add all the different belief systems into the mix with entities, becoming part of walls, concepts of reality, spirit guides etc..etc.. The only thing I'm sure of is "it doesn't inhibit ones imagination". Anyway thanks for your clear cut honest answer.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: mother_of_pearl]
    #7820268 - 01/01/08 02:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What do you think of Salvia?




It's scary.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: marz13]
    #7820381 - 01/01/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I like to mix the Salvia with Wild Dagga and Blue Lily of the Nile. It make a vary nice smoke blend. I find it makes the Salvia more enjoyable. Try it.




What are the preportions of each item that you recommend? Adding a Salvia buffer sounds good.


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Re: What do you think of Salvia? [Re: mother_of_pearl]
    #7820929 - 01/01/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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marz13 said:
I like to mix the Salvia with Wild Dagga and Blue Lily of the Nile. It make a vary nice smoke blend. I find it makes the Salvia more enjoyable. Try it.




What are the preportions of each item that you recommend? Adding a Salvia buffer sounds good.




25% Wild Dagga 25% Blue lily and 50% Salvia. Taste and smells so nice. Vary mellow smoke.


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