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Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure?
#7786047 - 12/21/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello people, i'm planning to inocule with Coprinus comatus some manure, like final substrate.
I've found (dried) manure pellets of a mix of manures: hens, pigs and cow, and also just hens manure pellets.
I've read that Coprinus comatus can be growed on a great variety of substrates, and the maximum yield can be obtained on horse manure..so the mixed manure or just the hens manure will work? Which would you choose?
Thanks, Fabio
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#7786213 - 12/21/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am going to be trying to fruit some Coprinus comatus after the holidays as well, I have some grain jars almost ready. I was thinking of going with chicken manure, mostly because I think Shaggy manes love nitrogen, and chicken manure has the most nitrogen. I was also going to mix in straw and leaves.
Random ideas at this point though, plan to do a bunch of reading after the holidays and come up with a plan. Let me know how it goes on your end and what you decide to try.
Cul
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: Culland]
#7786669 - 12/21/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I haven't had much luck fruiting it indoors. I make manure/soil/sawdust substrate bags and inoculate with colonized shaggy mane grain spawn. These are then buried outdoors after full colonization. They fruit in the fall after the rains come. RR
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7786947 - 12/21/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Since my entire basement is 5-7 degrees celsius, I figure now is a good a time as any to try and grow it indoors 
Cul
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: Culland]
#7787696 - 12/22/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay so I'll go for the 100% hens one..thanks..
Keep us updated.
Thank you all, Fabio
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#7791571 - 12/23/07 05:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yesterday i've inoculed 3 aluminum trays and 1 jar made with the following substrate:
- 7 cups of hens pellets - 2 cups of vermiculite - 2/5 of cup of gypsum - 1 and 1/2 of cup of water.
I boiled it an hour (cannot describe you the stink in the house, if you have horse manure GO FOR HORSE MANURE!), then cooled outdoor and then inoculed with Coprinus comatus (rye) spawn. In future if I success I'll post some pics.
Fabio
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#7815152 - 12/30/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I ended up not being able to go with chicken manure after all. Its somewhere out under a couple feet of snow by the garden plots and I just couldn't find it.
Ended up using some good quality compost we had from the garden center, which intelligently I had put in the shed, unlike the manure My add hock formula is:
7 cups of compost 2 cups of sawdust 2 cups of ground leaves 1/3 cup of wheat bran 2 tbsp of gypsum 2 cups of water
Going to pasteurize it tomorrow, then put it in trays. Let you know how it goes when I add the grain.
Cul
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: Culland]
#7815592 - 12/30/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Better leave out the wheat bran unless you're going to sterilize and keep in spawn bags. RR
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: Culland]
#7815862 - 12/31/07 02:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi Culland, as RR said, if you use bran you should sterilize the substrate, also if *WITH* all the cold weather contaminants will not grow so fast.
I've some pics about the trays with C.comatus but haven't the time to upload them. It seems hens manure likes to C.comatus.
I'll post them in the next days the pics of the 90% colonized trays.
Fabio
Edited by FreeSporePrints (01/01/08 10:43 AM)
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#7816145 - 12/31/07 07:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks you two, guess I am sterilizing since I already mixed it up. Maybe I will mix up another batch without the bran. Are healthy microbes and such left when you pasteurize, is that the benefit over sterilize or is it just easier to pasteurize in bulk?
Cul
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: Culland]
#7819593 - 01/01/08 10:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello Cul, i've found this topic that could help you ( [url=http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7819570&page=0&vc=1&PHPSESSID=#Post7819570]http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7819570&page=0&vc=1&PHPSESSID=#Post7819570[/url] ): Waix used wheat bran without sterilizing the substrate, neither pasteurizing. You have to keep in mind that the substrate was made of newspapers, so contaminants have an hard time to grow on it..however i suggest to sterilize the substrate to kill eventual contaminants.
Fabio
ps. sorry but i haven't understood your question (my English is poor)
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#7819747 - 01/01/08 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks Fabio. I decided to sterilize the one bag with wheat bran, also adding a tablespoon of blood meal for extra nitrogen since I was sterilizing it anyways. Then I mixed up another similar batch without wheat bran that I pasteurized. Going to spawn to them today and then see what works better.
Cul
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: Culland]
#7822441 - 01/02/08 01:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here the pics of the trays, i've to find the time to add the casing on them:
(day 2)

(day 4)



(day 6)



Fabio
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#7822903 - 01/02/08 08:44 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Looking good!
Cul
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: Culland]
#7903019 - 01/19/08 07:09 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Okay, I've got a couple of tons of stable sweepings-poo, wee, lucerne, wood shavings etc., they pile it up at the race track-free for the taking. Had to put it in garbage bags, because of the flies and stench(I live in suburbia). It's not really well decomposed yet, but I'm keen to get started, so I'm going to do a bag load in a hot water lime bath, solar heated of course. My spawn is paper/coir/chocolate drink powder.
How can I tell if there is enough Nitrogen?
Do you reckon a compost tumbler filled with this stable sweepings mix, and some gypsum would make a suitable substrate after a couple of weeks?
Would adding used vege oil improve the mix?
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: worowa]
#7924425 - 01/24/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Well, I made a tumbler yesterday-44 gallon drum, hole cut in side to load/unload, and I half filled it with stable sweepings, but...no heat. So I mowed the lawn and added a pile of fresh lawn clippings and a handful of blood and bone, she's heating up. I'll wait till she cools down, tumbling a couple of times a day, then spawn the mix. If it works, I'll post photos.
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: worowa]
#7928171 - 01/25/08 01:59 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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@worowa: i'll be happy to see the pics!
@everybody: i added the casing a lot of time ago but nothing, the mycelium doesn't colonize the casing. I have to discard those trays and start newly. This time i'll use horse manure, that chicken poo sucks and stinks a lot!
Fabio
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#7928432 - 01/25/08 03:52 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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They will fruit poorly indoors, no matter what you grow them on. I'd suggest making some substrate blocks of cow or horse manure, soil, and a bit of sawdust. Inoculate with grain spawn. When colonized, bury them into some soil, and wait for fall. RR
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7928608 - 01/25/08 06:06 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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In truth I've never seen a good crop indoor about C.comatus.
Unlucky I'havent a garden so I believe to give the trays to Funga, to bury them in her garden.
Fabio
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#7936282 - 01/26/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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Holy horse shit-3 days ago I poured boiling water over a wire basket lined with shade cloth, filled with stable sweepings, let it sit overnight, drained for 12 hours, and spawned with coprinus comatus paper/coir spawn. The substrate was put in a ceramic pot, left outside, with a bucket on top to stop flies-today its fuzzy and booming. The spawn was about 4 months old, left in a ziplock bag, and occassionaly I would crumble half the bag. It sat in a box in the back of my car most of that time, while I travelled and looked for a new home. The pots are about 10inches tall, not sure if they'll fruit in there, we'll see. If not, I'll spawn some shit trenches
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: worowa]
#7938328 - 01/26/08 11:36 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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Pics!
Fabio
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Re: Manure substrates and Coprinus comatus..but which manure? [Re: worowa]
#7938495 - 01/27/08 12:02 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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i got 3 bags fully colinized right now, just put one in the fruiting chamber, others will go soon, i didn't use any manure thow if it fruits ill take pics and write up everything
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