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Mental illness? Go get medicated!
    #7784961 - 12/21/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Anti-chemical imbalancism is evil

People are quick to drop the "chemical imbalance" mentality and seek alternative, "natural" means to curing their problems. Ironically, while most of us stray away from using pharmaceutical drugs, we don't give a second thought to using unregulated, OTC, or illegal drugs, even though these operate on the same principle (adjusting brain chemistry).

My point isn't an argument. I understand that people ultimately seek a longterm solution that doesn't involve drugs daily. LSD and other psychedelics are seen as something you can take a few times that have the potential to cure you permanently. I believe they do. I also believe mindfulness meditation and CBT/ERP/other forms of therapy can also "fix" the problem. I know the majority of people here agree with me.. but here's the kicker:

How many of us are actually benefiting from these enough that we feel we are operating at an optimal enough level to not need chronic medication? How long do we usually go before we relapse? Why don't we see pharmaceutical meds as a temporary solution to help us get past a gap, instead of being permanent, because of the majority of people suffering, this is how they will be used. Not everybody remains on medication permanently.

The way I see it. Most people (including me), "know" that, say, meditation, can be a great solution to OCD/depression/anxiety and so forth - but if we aren't actually meditating, what drives us to keep using this logic to push away pharmaceutical treatment?

I'm just ranting. I'll end it with this: Most people who are depressed have these fantasies of running away, starting a new life, going to live in places like Tibet, India, "nature," etc. This is common in psychiatry and most people suffering from mental illness have this. It's considered a symptom.

Anyway, I went ahead with it and left home for six months. What happened? No real difference in mental state. I was happy with the change, but that didn't last. I became even more hopeless. Oddly enough, all drugs being OTC in the place I went, I didn't think twice about trying Zoloft. Results? It worked perfectly. It gave me energy, it diminished anxiety, it made everything interesting and it helped me focus and vastly improved my reading comprehension and attention-span. It felt exactly like a chronic low dose of Ecstasy, but maybe that's how life is normally supposed to feel?

I realized that the negative stigma we all create around pharmaceuticals is exactly the same as the negative stigma most people have towards illegal drugs. We see the negative reports, not realizing that for every one case of somebody suffering from a dozen side effects or dying as a result of these drugs, there are countless positive reports.

Mental illness usually gets diagnosed after 4-8 years, although that seems to be getting lower as the stigma is reducing gradually. Don't waste your life. If alternative methods work for you: Great! You're fortunate. But keep in mind that time isn't going to wait, and one day you're going to wake up and realize that years have gone by with nothing getting done. Mental illness ruins relationships, school, work, personal hobbies and everything else.

Many people you see on TV, your professors, and bright classmates might be taking meds. The negativity is created by you and further instilled in your head because you hang out with similar-minded friends. It's ironic that we think the people who take the meds are sheep.

You will always find a reason to justify to yourself that you don't need meds or can't get them now. No insurance, too expensive, side effects, you can fix your probs using other means, the drugs will make you dumb, ruin your memory, etc. This is normal. It's natural and nobody wants to believe they're damaged. Who WANTS medication? See it as a necessity.

The bald girl wants thick hair, and Stephen Hawking wants to walk and talk. Likewise, the apathetic man who can barely get anything done and can't concentrate/remember anything in class wants a 4.0 GPA. None of these things will happen no matter how many times these people dream/whine/wish.

Getting medicated doesn't turn you into a zombie. It doesn't ruin your memory, nor does it ruin your intelligence. Mental illness does those things. The reason millions of people use these drugs is because pharmaceutical drugs work. Marketing is one thing, but if the drugs didn't work, who the hell would keep taking them? Have faith in people.

A man with gangrene in his legs will exhaust every possible route before resorting to amputation. If the alternate routes failed, he can die or go with an amputation. Depression might not kill you (although it'll shave years off your life), but it certainly kills your quality of life.

Things to read:
Meditation, Medication & The Voyage to Recovery
http://www.physics.unc.edu/~atrotter/personal/anxiety/meditation.htm

The Chemical Imbalance in Mental Health Problems - This has a few minor errors (wellbutrin doesn't "block dopamine", it blocks the reuptake of it), but I love how he simplified the action of all the neurotransmitters.
http://www.enotalone.com/article/4114.html


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: Quake3]
    #7793345 - 12/23/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I never thought Zoloft could be that good, this has got me into seriously thinking about getting medicated, not sure I could classify myself as depressed but theres definitely a lack of spark in me. Didnt think meds would do much for me, guess Im just proving how ignorant I am.

Thx for the heads up.


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: Quake3]
    #7793446 - 12/23/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well i believe that certain illegal chemicals could be very useful in psychedelic psychotherapy in most cases

but i also believe that the drugs are not required, and that certain methods of psychotherapy can be extremely effective if done correctly, with zero aid from any type of medicine or psychoactives and - traditional methods of psychotherapy involving subconcious messages along with hypnotherapy, are as clean as can be if done correctly, and you would not have a single clue what happened to you and your brain

i believe that all of those psychiatric medicines in the pharmaceutical world today are practically useless - and on the top of my list for those, are ssri's


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7793481 - 12/23/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

.. he just gave his personel experience of how much it helped him and then you go and say "i believe that all of those psychiatric medicines in the pharmaceutical world today are practically useless" :confused:


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: Quake3]
    #7793498 - 12/23/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so what do baldness and being a quadropeligiac have in common with someone being depressed?

I think it is funny that through your entire post you refer to mental disorders as if they are a biologically caused malady.

You act as if depression or any "emotional disability" is some extrinsic disease that you can catch or be born with.....

mental illness is an intrinsic problem, and it will never be cured by taking drugs.....
You seem to think that there is some distinction between someone smoking crack to forget about their life problems and someone taking zoloft to do the same.....

I am all for someone taking drugs to get fucked up , but to think that they are going to cure you is just retarded. No one wakes up one day, out of the blue and says "man, Im really depressed" and it is honestly for no reason.
Of course someone is going to tell a doctor that it is for no reason when it is something that is probably horribly unethical/illegal/just plain wrong..... it is those skeletons in the closet that you keep ignoring that stack up and you one day find that you are "inexplicably depressed".....

dont you find it funny that the older you get, the more prone you are to having depression? that is because that is what life does to you.
All drugs will do is mask the problem.... and of course that is most peoples biggest argument FOR the use of psychopharmaceuticals... because it can make the symptoms (of not enjoying your own life) go away long enough for you to "fix" these problems.... but why do you need to when you have a pill that makes all your worries go away?
Then the day comes where you are addicted to that pill, mentally, physically and emotionally, and you realize that you need to get off of it.... then how easy will it be to "fix" your problems as you fight withdrawl?

gangrene and anxiety? ... hmmm which one can be scientifically tested? which one is an actual proven biological disorder? which one has objective diagnostic criteria that can be observed by any doctor worth a shit?

I think you really need to rethink your entire stance on this and maybe do some research on how the entire industry of inducing paranoia while dangling flashing pictures of people more beautiful than you, having a better time than you, in a place far more sunnier than you makes you think that you arent as happy as you should be.

who isnt? show me one person in America that can honestly answer that they are as happy as they could be... that life is as fulfilling as it should be, and that they wake up every single morning as enthused as a 7 year old on christmas.
Happiness isnt a default, it isnt garaunteed. You only have the right for the pursuit of happiness.
How do you measure happiness? is it not completely subjective? especially here in america, where we are blasted with propaganda to make us think that we know what a happy life looks like, and that we dont have it.... so like a doting mother watching her limp-wristed, uncoordinated, chubby child huff and pant down the basketball court and tells herself that he is benched because the coach hates him, or that his asthma was acting up...... we look for any excuse to shirk responsibility for our present state, and the lie of cephalic destiny is so easily bought into because it does just that.


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7793502 - 12/23/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: bumble]
    #7793520 - 12/23/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, that is only my own opinion, bumble

i have... been on... quite an impressive variety of psychiatric medicines before - i have used my fair share of psychedelics, and narcotics, and alcohol - so ive really been put through the ringer of the psychiatric world and only describe my own opinion from my own experience - i would never, again, use, psychiatric medicine


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7793522 - 12/23/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"All drugs will do is mask the problem". They have the potential to but to outright generalize them as doing so is false. They also have the potential to help us cope with and recognize our problems.

It could just be as easily argued that the normal state of life is wrong. We SHOULD wake up every day happy should we not?, you would say no because taking a drug would help us look away and not fix the problem head on but life isnt so simple. You can be physically "perfectly" healthy and still be depressed, then what?.

And whos to say you cant take drugs for the rest of your life?.


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: bumble]
    #7793542 - 12/23/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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We SHOULD wake up every day happy should we not?




Who's to say that we should wake up every morning feeling happy?
Is this a rule for such things?
How do you determine this SHOULD?
The closest thing I could acknowledge as "should" without falling from the area of common sense is what's natural.
And from what I know, feeling depressed is as natural as it gets.


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7793553 - 12/23/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The point to living is to enjoy ourselves, without happiness life would be meaningless, it really is that simple. Obviously we all want to be happy while exercising good morality.

What is "natural"/normal is far from whats right.


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: bumble]
    #7793556 - 12/23/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You can be physically "perfectly" healthy and still be depressed, then what?.





i just told you, bumble, read through what i fucking wrote, again


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7793590 - 12/23/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

different ways to tackle the same problem, some methods will work better with some ppl others it wont, drugs are just another angle to work with, if ppl worked so similar we would have fixed each other long time ago imho

I dont claim to be as knowledgeable as any of you but I believe in what little I know


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: bumble]
    #7793598 - 12/23/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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bumble said:
The point to living is to enjoy ourselves, without happiness life would be meaningless, it really is that simple. Obviously we all want to be happy while exercising good morality.

What is "natural"/normal is far from whats right.




And depression can teach us how to fucking overcome it (responsibly and consciously - which implies NO medication), in order to become yet more happy and aware of our lives and who we are.
Depression happens because we refuse to face our problems and from a simple momentarily state of denial and delusion, the situation can intensify really fast and we get to have schizophrenic or bipolar or god knows what else manifestations.
So instead of working things out, through reason and taking the time to explore our issues, we medicate ourselves and never get to find out what the fuck is actually wrong with us.
Sure, these wonder pills can feel like a gift from heaves compared to the hell that we can go through when in a psychotic episode, but let's keep in mind that they only feel this way compared to the critical state.

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What is "natural"/normal is far from whats right.




It seems to me that for you NATURAL and NORMAL are one and the same thing.
Well, I'll have you know that they're not.
Normal usually refers to a social/cultural imposed standard (and which usually is affected by negative emotional states and the need to control with the purpose of avoiding fears). This becomes an ARTIFICIAL, illusory way of perceiving life. As opposed to NATURAL.
And I'm asking you again, how can you determine what's "right"? :rolleyes:


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7793629 - 12/23/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So instead of working things out, through reason and taking the time to explore our issues, we medicate ourselves and never get to find out what the fuck is actually wrong with us.

But they also have the potential to help us look into ourselves which I already pointed out..

And I'm asking you again, how can you determine what's "right"?

The same way everyone else would, combination of intuition and fact. But your looking for a more specific answer somehow. That would turn this thread into a lengthy S&P debate.


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7793632 - 12/23/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

good point...

I would also like to add this...

I wonder why people dont turn the same laughable/skeptic eye to psychiatric medicine that they would to say any other commercial selling a product that promises happiness?
The happiness industry is the oldest in the world (prostitution), but it is only fleeting moments of bliss before the glow wears off and you are left with nothing but reality to look at.
When I see a Wellbutrin or zyprexa commercial, it looks and sounds the exact same as those commercials pushing cock lengthening pills.


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: bumble]
    #7793661 - 12/23/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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But they also have the potential to help us look into ourselves which I already pointed out..




Then HOW do you explain that a BIG part (and I'm inclined to say the most) of the people who stop the medication get back to being depressed? Some of them even more?

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The same way everyone else would, combination of intuition and fact. But your looking for a more specific answer somehow. That would turn this thread into a lengthy S&P debate.




And what would be the problem if it would turn into a lengthy a la P&S debate?
By all means, I am not stepping out from that. :lol:
Do you, by any chance, refrain yourself from getting into a deep and logical argumentation? :sherlock: If so, I could only deduct the reasons. :smirk:
Are we not here to set things straight?
I find it more important to make THIS particular discussion a very meaningful one because it directly concerns an important matter fro this forum and it's readers. The help and the insight a person in need would get from is tremendous. :cool:

Getting back to the subject, can you please exemplify what would that blend between fact and intuition would be?


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: bumble]
    #7793663 - 12/23/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

bumble, again... the way that i can describe mental illness right now, is to compare the human brain, with a computer... if you get a virus in your computer, you need to get it fixed somehow... another example would be your automobile... you need to get oil changes, new tires, ect., "maintnance"

so, the solution for this, i am going to tell you again, is get, a very talented psycho-therapist whom you trust, to eliminate the virus in your computer-brain, or to give your brain an oil change and a new set of tires, with working on your brain subconsciously... various techniques, one being hypnotherapy, and with all of that done, correctly, the methods are so safe and clean that, you, would not even know, what, happened


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7793676 - 12/23/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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bumble, again... the way that i can describe mental illness right now, is to compare the human brain, with a computer... if you get a virus in your computer, you need to get it fixed somehow... another example would be your automobile... you need to get oil changes, new tires, ect., "maintnance"




Awesome comparison! I like it.
It's like choosing to use the quarantine option from the antivirus instead of using the clean option. :laugh:
In this case, the quarantine would be the pills and the cleaner would be becoming rational and facing one's problems.


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7793687 - 12/23/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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YawningAnus said:
I think it is funny that through your entire post you refer to mental disorders as if they are a biologically caused malady.

You act as if depression or any "emotional disability" is some extrinsic disease that you can catch or be born with.....





I believe that the majority of people who are labeled as "mentally ill" don't need medication and could probably benefit greatly from a life-style change, but that doesn't mean the problem can't be biological.

Your logic is binary; All or nothing; But life isn't that simple. It's true that anybody who reads the symptoms for depression will agree that they have it to some degree, but when the depression is severely impacting your life, it's a problem that needs to be addressed.

I thought I made it clear in the OP that by "addressed" I mean that it should be handled in whatever way works for the patient. If the dude is severely depressed but finds falling in love, trying LSD, meditating, seeing Fight Club or just going out to meet new people have helped him - GREAT! This dude doesn't need medication.

But what if the dude can't fix his problem? He has exhausted every route, or he's just so out of it that he can't even exercise for a week and the only thing everybody tells him is that he's depressed cause his life sucks. Now he is reluctant to take medication, but now what?

To me, you sound like you're saying "those that can fix their life on their own deserve to survive, and those that must resort to medication should be left to die off."

My view on mental illness changed radically when I went to visit my mom at a Mental Ward. Try going to one and telling the patients there that their problem isn't biological. The point is that it doesn't matter whether the problem is biological, or just due to having a shitty job. Everybody deserves a high quality of life.

Obviously, being med-free is better than being on meds, but being med-free, chronically fatigued, unable to concentrate in school or hold down a job, and being unable to socializ is far worse than taking a pill a day, experiencing a headache or diarrhea/constipation once in awhile, but being able to function at your optimal level.

Everyone accepts the fact that humans may be born with physical defects, but if the patient can walk and talk, his brain (WAY more complicated than the body) must be working 100% correctly. How do you make sense of this? I think you fail to see that many of our emotions and what drives our daily actions is actually beyond our control.

We also know of many infections that can greatly alter our cognitive abilities, judgment and thinking. Read up on Phineas Gage.

We know a lot about neurotransmitters and the brain. The more we learn, the more we realize how much stuff is biological - and is it surprising to those of us who aren't religious?

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Dopamine
Dopamine in the thinking areas of the brain might be considered the neurotransmitter of focus and attending. Low levels impair our ability to focus on our environment or to "lock on" to tasks, activities, or conversations. Low levels of Dopamine make concentration and focus very difficult with low levels also associated with Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). On the other end of the Dopamine dipstick, as Dopamine levels in the brain begin to raise, we become excited/energized, then suspicious and paranoid, then finally hyperstimulated by our environment. With low levels of Dopamine, we can't focus while with high levels of Dopamine our focus becomes narrowed and intense to the point of focusing on everything in our environment as though it were directly related to our situation.

Known as an "idea of reference" in psychiatry, we begin thinking unrelated experiences are suddenly directly related to us. People observed talking across the street are now talking about us. As Dopamine increases, it can become so intense that we feel the radio, television, and newspaper contain secret messages directed at us from Hollywood or elsewhere. It's as though we are attempting to incorporate/add everything we witness into our life. Planes flying overhead are snapping pictures of us and motorists talking on cellular phones are calling in a report on us. Our mind speed increases and races in an attempt to add all we see into our life. In an attempt to make sense, we may become extremely religious, paranoid, or feel we are a very important person. Increased Dopamine also increases the perception of our senses, as though turning up the volume in all our senses ¿ hearing, vision, taste, smell, and touch.


Norepinephrine
Low levels of norepinephrine are associated with a loss of alertness, poor memory, and depression. Norepinephrine appears to be the neurotransmitter of "arousal" and for that reason, lower-than-normal levels of this neurotransmitter produce below-average levels of arousal and interest, a symptom found in several psychiatric conditions including depression and ADHD. It is for this reason that medications for depression and ADHD often target both dopamine and norepinephrine in an attempt to restore both to normal level.


Serotonin
When Serotonin is low, we experience problems with concentration and attention. We become scatterbrained and poorly organized. Routine responsibilities now seem overwhelming. It takes longer to do things because of poor planning. We lose our car keys and put odd things in the refrigerator. We call people and forget why we called or go to the grocery and forget what we needed. We tell people the same thing two or three times.

Like all neurotransmitters, we can have too much Serotonin. While elevated levels of Serotonin produce a sense of well-being, bliss, and "oneness with the universe"
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All drugs will do is mask the problem.... and of course that is most peoples biggest argument FOR the use of psychopharmaceuticals... because it can make the symptoms (of not enjoying your own life) go away long enough for you to "fix" these problems.... but why do you need to when you have a pill that makes all your worries go away?
Then the day comes where you are addicted to that pill, mentally, physically and emotionally, and you realize that you need to get off of it.... then how easy will it be to "fix" your problems as you fight withdrawl?





There's no withdrawal if you gradually taper off the meds. But you bring up an interesting point. This now becomes more of an ethical issue:

What's wrong with remaining on meds forever? Some people don't mind. People take drugs forever for their physical problems anyway. Shouldn't this be the person's choice?

Should "healthy" people be allowed to take Ritalin, SSRIs, SNRIs, etc? Nowadays, many people do.

It's important to keep in mind that almost everybody experiences depression once in awhile, and especially during puberty and when getting old. This is absolutely normal and part of growing up/life. This isn't something that should be medicated. My post was aimed at the people who have wasted 5 years looking for "alternative medicine" to their problems AND haven't found anything. And yet remain reluctant to try modern medicine simply due to the negative stigma. These people are suffering.

If you DO have a chemical imbalance, the drugs make you NORMAL. They let you feel emotions and actually live life. Exercise, meditation, food, sex, relationships, other humans, hobbies all become enjoyable again. If you don't have a chemical imbalance, then you will likely feel drugged up and shouldn't take drugs.


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The closest thing I could acknowledge as "should" without falling from the area of common sense is what's natural.
And from what I know, feeling depressed is as natural as it gets.





Feeling depressed for a reason is natural. You shouldn't take Paxil just because your GF left you, and meds aren't prescribed for those situations anyway, unless the patient isn't getting help from CBT/ERP/other forms of therapy.

There is no "should" or "natural" way to live life. I've visited religious countries and they all drilled it into my head that unless you pray on a regular basis and do a dozen rituals a day, you don't deserve to be happy or content. These people believe that unless you follow their religion, your not living life as you should be and you're wasting your time.

This same attitude exists about mental illness and drugs (as well as illegal drugs). Some people feel that being happy 24/7 is a bad thing. They fail to see that other people wouldn't mind a life like this. Others don't mind living a life that to us seems miserable. I know 30 year olds who stay home all day, have very little friends, have never gotten laid and spend all day at work talking to me about how society is stupid and how they're so much more intelligent than the rest of us. And they're perfectly content. They'd never use any drug and they don't want to change. And that's fine. It's their life and they don't need to conform to anybody's standards.

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Depression happens because we refuse to face our problems and from a simple momentarily state of denial and delusion, the situation can intensify really fast and we get to have schizophrenic or bipolar or god knows what else manifestations.





Some people experience depression because they are delusional, yes, but not all depression is caused by this. I've done years of research on schizophrenia and anxiety disorders. We don't know what causes schizophrenia at this moment, but we do know that these are beyond the control of the patient. Schizophrenia shouldn't be compared to a drug trip - the episodes don't teach you anything, and it causes physical brain damage over time. Schizophrenia and Bipolar are SERIOUS conditions and should not be undermined.

(the paragraphs on neurotransmitters is from http://www.enotalone.com/article/4115.html )


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Re: Mental illness? Go get medicated! [Re: MushroomTrip]
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bumble, again... the way that i can describe mental illness right now, is to compare the human brain, with a computer... if you get a virus in your computer, you need to get it fixed somehow... another example would be your automobile... you need to get oil changes, new tires, ect., "maintnance"




Awesome comparison! I like it.
It's like choosing to use the quarantine option from the antivirus instead of using the clean option. :laugh:
In this case, the quarantine would be the pills and the cleaner would be becoming rational and facing one's problems.




A virus can be seen as an environmental problem like a bad job, shitty marriage, etc, that is causing the depression. CBT or other therapy would fix this. I agree with you guys. But an exploit could be seen as a genetic or chemical problem. Virus scanners don't fix exploits. To fix an exploit, you need to patch the system. The patch can be seen as medication.

Read the link I provided at the end of my long follow up above this. He uses the automobile comparison too.


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