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habit vs addiction
#7784819 - 12/21/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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whats the difference?
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Irishdrunk
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Addiction causes physical pain when you try to quit, while habit is just hard to quit because you're used to the same routine.
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784834 - 12/21/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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In other words, addiction is a physical dependency and your body hates it when you quit and will show you how much it hates it.......habit is like mental routine you can break easier.
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784850 - 12/21/07 08:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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but does an addiction require a physical dependency? say tv or the internet for example... or gambling? or would those be habits?
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Irishdrunk
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Yep addiction is a chemical dependency, everything else should be considered extreme habit
Even gambling, its not an addiction, just a strong mental habit.
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784884 - 12/21/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nope, gambling can be a chemical problem... My dad suffers from compulsive gambling due to his Parkinson's medicine. The combo of Dopamine and Mirapex (agonist) causes it.
He never gambled a day in his life, and then proceeded to lose $100,000's over the course of a few years.
But it's not just gambling... It can be food, sex, almost anything can be "addictive" if your brain chemistry is screwy.
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Ahhh. ok. So addiction can grow out of compulsive habit.
I wouldn't call it addiction so much as obsessive compulsion which is a disorder.
But I guess it can grow into obsessive addiction, still think its not physical addiction though, your body doesnt require gambling to run normally.
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784905 - 12/21/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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When you are putting chemicals into your body that physically change your brain chemistry, it becomes physical does it not?
The kicker is within 2 weeks of stopping the Mirapex medicine, he'd have NO compulsion to gamble anymore... but Parkinson's is a real bitch without the right meds!
We got him a brain implant that should reduce his need for meds, but it won't be active for awhile.
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784908 - 12/21/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe it goes like this
Habit
Obsession
Addiction
Chemical addiction *if its drugs, or alcohol*
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Quote:
RoosterCogburn said: When you are putting chemicals into your body that physically change your brain chemistry, it becomes physical does it not?
The kicker is within 2 weeks of stopping the Mirapex medicine, he'd have NO compulsion to gamble anymore... but Parkinson's is a real bitch without the right meds!
We got him a brain implant that should reduce his need for meds, but it won't be active for awhile.
Good man, everything is treatable. Give him support, hang out with him and find things to do you both enjoy together.
Loneliness is the worst, and easiest way to relapse.
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784923 - 12/21/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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As for Parkinson's, thats really bad, sorry to hear that.
Hopefully a cure will come sooner than later.
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784930 - 12/21/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now you got me cryin......fuck I hate being Irish.......damn feelings.
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Quote:
RoosterCogburn said: When you are putting chemicals into your body that physically change your brain chemistry, it becomes physical does it not?
The kicker is within 2 weeks of stopping the Mirapex medicine, he'd have NO compulsion to gamble anymore... but Parkinson's is a real bitch without the right meds!
We got him a brain implant that should reduce his need for meds, but it won't be active for awhile.
Ever consider suing someone for that $100,000 and lawyer fees?
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: kidaihuan]
#7784940 - 12/21/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yah sue the numerous bars he went to and gambled at....*laff*
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784941 - 12/21/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Irishdrunk said: Addiction causes physical pain when you try to quit, while habit is just hard to quit because you're used to the same routine.
Quoted For fucken Truth!
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: kidaihuan]
#7784942 - 12/21/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a class action thing, and fighting casinos is almost pointless.
We still have a house and enough cash to survive... I just keep him on a short leash. 
We got off easy... There are stories where people lost EVERYTHING including family and friends. I'll let them sue... 
It is scary to see him down by the slot machines tho... It's like a mindless zombie asking me for "another $20" every 2 minutes. Kinda sad, but knowing it's a side effect and not HIM makes it a bit easier.
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Addiction:
Continued compulsive behaviour despite negative consequences that would lead a reasonable individual to stop the behavior.
Saying addiction must equal tolerance is bullshit. Psychological addiction is where the trouble lies. Why do opioid addicts continue using after getting out of jail and being sober for a time?
Why do Potheads w/ self-damaging behavior continue to use?
Gambling was mentioned.
Is someone who take oxycontin for their back pain addicted? Is an unconcious person given narcotics addicted?
The psychological component is much more important than tolerance
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: johnm214]
#7784968 - 12/21/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Physical dependence is not synonymous with addiction. You can be physically dependent on a substance, and not be addicted to it (e.g. fulfill the criteria for substance dependence). Nearly all "addictions" have a very large psychological basis.
Further, the term "physically addictive" is a misnomer. There are no objective, physical changes used to diagnose drug dependence.
If you've ever attended a professional, scientific meeting about drug dependence (or searched pubmed) you will find thousands of articles examining physical changes observed after long term drug administration. Unfortunately, they all say something different. People have correlated genetic factors with "addiction", changes in receptors, proteins etc. etc. There is no single answer as to the physiological correlates of "addiction", it is too complex of a phenomena to define.
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: johnm214]
#7784994 - 12/21/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dunno bro
I (personally) have been 'addicted to' numerous things throughout my years that I wasn't able to 'quit' UNTIL I found myself ina position where I simply *could not* keep going with these quote unquote 'addictions' of mine (i.e. I find myself in jail or some shit, where I can't fucken drink / or smoke / or whatever (regardless if I 'wanted to' or not) and I QUIT - plain and simple)
...BUT...
I've ALSO been in the situation where I've (genuinely) wanted to kick a habit of mine (regardless if I *had to* or not) and was, in fact, able to do exactly that
so it seems to me that it IS a manner of mindset really
at least...for the non-physical bullshit anyway
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Re: habit vs addiction [Re: Muppet]
#7785030 - 12/21/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah man, that's what I'm saying. I think we agree.
the physical symptoms are usually not a big deal. Why can't opiate addicts wean themselves off and not go through horrible withdrawals, but many people w/ medical need for opiates do exactly that, with or without a doctor's regimin. Cuz they want to get high.
Same thing w/ smokers who crave for a ciggerette years after quitting, they still have those learned behaviors that make them want it- that's addiction.
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