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bbtr
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Any difference between Copelandia and Panaeolus Cyanescens?
#7780756 - 12/20/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there any difference between Copelandia Cyanescens and Panaeolus Cyanescens?
Here http://www.mushrooms.20m.com/copelandia.htm
you could read the following: "The Copelandia casing layer eventually succumbs to blue mould and must be discarded although it should yield around 40 g of mushrooms (fresh weight) per 100 g rice/horse manure. Panaeolus cyanescens (spores from PES) is also very potent but has a weaker mycelium which gives smaller specimens and a much lower yield (10 g per 100 g rice/horse manure)."
I.e., according to the author: 1. these are two different mushrooms and 2. one yields more than the other.
I searched these forums too and some places on the Net, but all I found says that Copes and Pans are virtually the same thing.
So, it'd be nice if an expert could tune in to throw some light on this.
Thanks! bbtr
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Re: Any difference between Copelandia and Panaeolus Cyanescens? [Re: bbtr]
#7781090 - 12/20/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Panaeolus is the genus. Copelandia are tropical panaeoli that include several species, including cyanescens. In my opinion, Copelandia cyanescens would be a more correct way of referring to the species, but Panaeolus cyanescens is used just as often. RR
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Re: Any difference between Copelandia and Panaeolus Cyanescens? [Re: bbtr]
#7781416 - 12/20/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Panaeolus cyanescens and Copelandia cyanescens refer to the same species. There is disagreement on the naming convention, some authors consider Copelandia a subgenus of the genus Panaeolus.
Differences in growth habits can be attributed to differences in regional strains of Panaeolus cyanescens or misidentification of similar closely related species such as Panaeolus tropicalis.
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JOHNSTONE3737
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Re: Any difference between Copelandia and Panaeolus Cyanescens? [Re: Workman]
#7786146 - 12/21/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I ALWAYS HEARD THAT THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, HOWEVER, THERE MAY BE A WIDE VARIETY OF SUB-SPECIES IN EXISTENCE. I MYSELF, LIVE ON THE BIG ISLAND OF HAWAII(FOR ABOUT 7 MO. NOW), AND THE COPELANDIAS I FIND ALL LOOK THE SAME, EXCEPT FOR A SELECT FEW. THE ONES I AM TALKING ABOUT HAVE THE SAME SHAPE, BUT ARE CLEARLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THEY APPEAR TO BE A LITTLE DARKER, AND SEEM TO BRUISE MORE PURPLISH IN COLOR? I HAVE NEVER EATEN THEM BECAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THEY ARE. THE OTHER ONES, HOWEVER, I HAVE EATEN ON A FEW OCCASIONS. THEY ARE THE COMMON COPELANDIAS, VERY LIGHT IN COLOR, AN OFF-WHITE, WITH A GOLDEN CENTER ON THE TOP OF THE CAP. THE UNDERSIDE OF THE CAP IS A GRAYISH-PURPLISH-BLACK. THE YOUNGER ONES PRODUCE A BRILLIANT BLUE UPON HANDLING. THE OLDER ONES BLUE QUITE DEEPLY ON THEIR OWN. I HAVE COLLECTED OLDER ONES WITH CAPS APPROACHING THE 3" DIAMETER! BUT I PREFER THE YOUNGER SMALLER ONES. I NOTICED THAT THEY SEEM TO RETAIN PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEIR COLORING IF DRIED WITH CALCIUM CHLOROHYDRATE. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO WRITE A BOOK, SO LATER GATORS! AND HAPPY TRIPPING!!
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Re: Any difference between Copelandia and Panaeolus Cyanescens? [Re: JOHNSTONE3737]
#7787393 - 12/21/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, just no... God damnit. I dream of capslock tonight.
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Re: Any difference between Copelandia and Panaeolus Cyanescens? [Re: PoisonedV]
#15911781 - 03/06/12 10:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, overkill with the capslock, but I do agree that the species is cyanescens is the species and copelandia is just a variety.
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Re: Any difference between Copelandia and Panaeolus Cyanescens? [Re: bbtr]
#15921100 - 03/06/12 10:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
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bhargavd18 said: Yea, overkill with the capslock, but I do agree that the species is cyanescens is the species and copelandia is just a variety.
No, copelandia is not 'just a variety' but the genus.
However, I see no reason to bump a 4 year old thread for that. Hopefully, you weren't just trying to raise your post count, because that's the wrong way to do it. RR
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