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Offlinepsychejam
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HPPD = warped thoughts?
    #7778801 - 12/19/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Would many agree with me in saying that HPPD doesn't just alter your vision, but also your thoughts?

I have very mild shroom-induced HPPD - I don't see objects morph or melt etc, just slight static/fuzzy vision with minor tracers, floaters, as well as after-images of moving objects.

I have also thought about the fact that having HPPD alters normal thoughts and causes changes relating to our brain's functioning. I've seen examples of MRI brain scans of people with HPPD as opposed to those without, and I must say the results look very, very different - frighteningly different. (Scroll down to the brain scan images - http://www.drabraham.com/html/hppd.htm)

The last time I touched shrooms was a month ago, and I don't plan on touching them again - ever. I care and worry too much about remaining the same person I was before I first tripped.

How many of you experienced mild HPPD (such as static vision) and noticed it to eventually subside? And what about my 'warped-thoughts' theory?

Thanks.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: psychejam]
    #7778846 - 12/19/07 06:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I found that mushrooms affected my thoughts the most. I saw very little visuals but my thoughts were warped dramatically, but in a good way. Shrooms won't change the kind of person you are, you decide whether your experiences change you.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: Devin]
    #7778854 - 12/19/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Psychedelics ARE changing the way I think. And I'm damn glad they are. The merging of the psychedelic state and sober state is wonderful.

Edit: The ONLY reason that this is considered a "disorder" is because it's different and most people can't handle different.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: psychejam]
    #7778908 - 12/19/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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psychejam said:
Would many agree with me in saying that HPPD doesn't just alter your vision, but also your thoughts?




That's the basic theory of it yes... people don't know why it happens because it's just a psychological phenomena. But it doesn't permenantly warp your thoughts.


How do you know its the mushrooms that are fucking with you?


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7779080 - 12/19/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

google mind control towers, it could be more than drugs messin with your thoughts but there are measures we can take to fight against this police state google or youtube orgone and holy hand grenades, we should all take part in this movement


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: symbiotic]
    #7779160 - 12/19/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

chem trails...maybe..cell phone mind control...prob not


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: F1234K]
    #7779474 - 12/19/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm convinced HPPD is an illusion. The only people I ever see get it are those people who worry about it in the first place. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I've tripped 50+ times and my vision is totally normal.

Never underestimate the power of your unconscious and autonomic brain to totally fuck with you. Just try not to think about it, and it WILL go away.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: psychejam]
    #7779541 - 12/19/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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psychejam said:

The last time I touched shrooms was a month ago, and I don't plan on touching them again - ever. I care and worry too much about remaining the same person I was before I first tripped.





Yeah, then good call. Steer clear of entheogens because imo it's all about transformation. Entheogens bring about a deep change within your inner being and if you fear change then you're in for a rough ride. Sounds like your not ready to let go and accept the changes the mushrooms will surely bring. That's cool, but why do you call yourself a psychonaut?


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7779693 - 12/19/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Tchan909 said:
I'm convinced HPPD is an illusion. The only people I ever see get it are those people who worry about it in the first place. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I've tripped 50+ times and my vision is totally normal.

Never underestimate the power of your unconscious and autonomic brain to totally fuck with you. Just try not to think about it, and it WILL go away.




I would agree with you for a few people, but I can say for myself that I certainly had it.
I had all of the symptoms (after images, trails, halos) and knew nothing about its existence. I only learned what it was after I already had it and everything fit. Granted, I had been tripping weekly for nearly 6 months straight.

You also have to consider that people had it before it got a name or any recognition.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: Veter]
    #7779968 - 12/19/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ya man psycedelics have definently changed my entire being i get strange dreams and very significant moments like one time o was fishing and i felt like i became the fish then my siblings and then the universe all without drugs at first i was kind of scared thought it might be schiztophrenia but if it is then let it be so. there are too many normal people out there and what is normal anyway conforming to society and all it has to "offer" i find more peace and happiness in being a creative being than anyting so take pride in your indivdaul insanity people its the only memory you will leave behind worth remembering it is what makes us individauls and not a corporate working, and fucking machine.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: psychejam]
    #7779991 - 12/19/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

some people forget that HPPD is limited to drugs. you ever get really emotional during an experience and when you think about it get that feeling again? BAM there you go


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: psychejam]
    #8299505 - 04/18/08 01:56 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I was just thinking about that all day and researched it a lot this morning before I went to school, but for me it's weed, everythings just a bit fuzzy, not enough that you can't read, just bug you enough to alter your thought, negetively. maybe both drugs alter your vision just in different amounts?:ooo:


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: Limes]
    #8299580 - 04/18/08 02:21 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Stop doing drugs.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: Crasher]
    #8299653 - 04/18/08 02:49 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Why the fuck did you bump this, Limes? Old shit.

Either way, I'd like to aver my previous comment by stating that MRIs can be used to add a dramatic display to whatever the fuck your agenda is. MRIs are weird and scan for all sorts of different things, many of which the neurologists themselves don't quite understand. If you can tell me what those MRIs actually mean in terms of cognitive function I'll be quite stupefied.

Also, after I smoked a breakthrough dose of DMT I had what could be called "warped thoughts" for a week or so. DMT had shown me this bizarre vortex of sensory experience, all five of my senses condensed into a single undescribable well of fractal bizarreness. I couldn't call it HPPD because my vision and really all of my other faculties were perfectly normal, but simultaneously to the normal sensory experience I could vaguely sense the vortex of experience produced by the overlap of all five senses joining my awareness. It was visual, auditory, tactile, oral, olfactory all at once, and it frightened me that I could perceive it even as I was going about normal life. It had a way of striking my internal monologue dumb, which I'm not really used to.

I gotta say though, once again updating my earlier post in this ancient thread, the mark is now at somewhere between 80 and 90, now including some SERIOUSLY FUCKING INSANE trips that changed the entirety of reality accessible in a moment, and I still maintain HPPD is a product of the power of mind over reality.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: symbiotic]
    #8299656 - 04/18/08 02:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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symbiotic said:
google mind control towers, it could be more than drugs messin with your thoughts but there are measures we can take to fight against this police state google or youtube orgone and holy hand grenades, we should all take part in this movement




i can see someone has tripped too many times.


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Re: HPPD = warped thoughts? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8299960 - 04/18/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I do belive HPPD can be and is a reality of sorts. When we take psychedelics they alter our perception and thought process. If we push it too far we will never be the same. We begin to read between the lines and see through alot of the everyday bullshit that is reality and THAT can drive us to virtual insanity knowing how things/life should be and also recognising how they unfortunately are. If you try to convince "normal" society that things can be different and the only thing in life that matters is love and not money, power, prestige, and whatnot then you are labled as crazy and that is the thought process HPPD. You can also always see stuff move and zone out in thoughts.



or maybe its just me??


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