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Muufokfok
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need help with grow
#7778485 - 12/19/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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sometimes when doing a good casing or cakes, my yields always go to fuck. at first i realized 1 main problem, which was taking them out of the jar too early, when the outer layer of mycelium hasnt gone over yet and dont show much in consecutive flushes.
but yet my last grown hasnt shown much too offer. it might be me growing in my closet but i have a new tub thats about 20 gallons or so with 50 or so holes drilled in it. i have a bunch of wet perlite in it and fan once a day, 12h of light 12h dark. my last grow i did 7 cakes 2 in a small casing 4 in the a one twice the size. my casing was a mix of verm, coco, and peat, and 2 teaspoons of hydrated lime. i dunked the cakes and they all had outer layers some just had it on the top. 24hrs. crumbled them up and immediatly in the casing. cake bloomed the first flush but second fush didnt show much so i dunked it for 12 hours. the casing didnt show yet but they all poked the top at multiple spots, with a couple of early shrooms. so i decided to dunk my trays and see what happens. i have a feeling this is a waste but i got spore prints out it and didnt waste that much material i got 12 pints on the way (innoc'd friday)
i read hypaes thread/strategy and will try that next time tho any tips or suggestions for this tho?
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Edited by Muufokfok (12/19/07 05:17 PM)
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veda_sticks
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Re: need help with grow [Re: Muufokfok]
#7778642 - 12/19/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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fae is a very important pinning trigger. once a day is not enough.
try and do it at least 4 times a day.
also make sure ur casing layer ( and verm on cakes) it kept moist.
what kind o light are u uing.
I would recommend a fluerescent in the daylight range (between 6000k and 7000k)
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Nibin
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Casing cakes on their own (not spawning to bulk) causes too many problems to be worth while, and it doesn't increase yields of cakes compared to dunking and rolling. http://www.shroomery.org/9735/Should-I-crumble-and-case-my-cakes
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thedefone
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Re: need help with grow [Re: Nibin]
#7779134 - 12/19/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are on a crusade, aren't you Nibin?
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ewikk055
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Re: need help with grow [Re: thedefone]
#7779212 - 12/19/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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he has always stated that you shouldn't case a pf tek cake. Actually I'm almost certain that you have repeated that on at least 10 different occasions.
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Nibin
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Re: need help with grow [Re: thedefone]
#7780408 - 12/20/07 04:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
thedefone said: You are on a crusade, aren't you Nibin?
Yes, there are so many newbies that post on here desolated because their cased cakes have contaminated and they have lost everything.
If they had just dunked and rolled they probably would have not lost a thing or only a cake or two.
Imagine that out of your 8 cakes, one has tricoderma mycelium (white, so you can't tell the difference). If you dunk and roll you would just loose that cake. If you crumbled and cased them in two trays, you would loose 4 cakes worth.
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stinkbuttdog
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Re: need help with grow [Re: Nibin]
#7780414 - 12/20/07 04:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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... agreed!
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veda_sticks
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Quite true,
But even just the process for crumbling up could could introduce contams, or give them a chance to flourish since the myc has been damaged and has to recover.
The verm that the cake is rolled in is essentially a casing layer.
Some poeple have noticed good results by blendirizing there verm so its finer, so it sticks to the cake better and coats it more even.
Keep it moist and with plenty of FAE light and humidity, cakes should pin good.
Remember though, that the more flushes you get, the less they will yeild, generaly as each flush goes on you get bigger, but less.
I had a cake on its second flush produce just 2 shrooms plus 1 abort, but those 2 shrooms were a total of 25 grams.
I have another cake produce about the same amount on its second flush, 1 big 13 gram fruit and several smaller.
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seg_x
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Re: need help with grow [Re: Nibin]
#7780626 - 12/20/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Nibin said:
Imagine that out of your 8 cakes, one has tricoderma mycelium (white, so you can't tell the difference). If you dunk and roll you would just loose that cake. If you crumbled and cased them in two trays, you would loose 4 cakes worth.
^ exactly what has happened to me.
make spawn if your gonna case. make cakes if your gonna fruit fast and if you wanna make larger cakes, stack them with care.
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