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Top layer casing mix!!!! question
    #7778275 - 12/19/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/50/Casing-101
ok go there and go to step 6 it says put pre sterilized casing mix for the top layer can i just put some sterilized brf with vermiculite over it cause i didnt get that part


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7778296 - 12/19/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ah, the ol cake crumble and case tek..
First what you have to do is prepare a casing mix. http://www.shroomery.org/20/Casing-Procedures
PASTEURIZE the casing mix, not STERILIZE
A CASING LAYER is a non-nutritive layer of substrate that provides extra moisture and an ideal micro climate to encourage pin formation. So no nutrients on the casing layer, or it may get contaminated.
If anything, the simplest casing layer you can put on is plain vermiculite.
Understand a lil better now?


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: Green420Thang]
    #7778309 - 12/19/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

pasteurize ???? so damp verm on bottem and pasteurized on top


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7778324 - 12/19/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well shroomials, do you intend to make a casing layer? Whatever you put on top (except straight verm) needs to be pasteurized. So if you make 50/50 verm/coir casing mix or if you use Miracle Grow Moisture Control (MGMC)you have to pasteurize.


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7778327 - 12/19/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's not worth crumbling and casing cakes on their own. You won't increase yields and you get an increased risk of contamination.
http://www.shroomery.org/9735/Should-I-crumble-and-case-my-cakes


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: Nibin]
    #7778347 - 12/19/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That makes sense. My first pf jars were crumbled to coir.  :supershroom:  :supershroom:  :supershroom:
My advice to anyone who has the courage, take the extra step and go bulk even if they're your first cakes, just make sure you do your research & follow everything how the teks say.


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: Green420Thang]
    #7778457 - 12/19/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

whats coir and how do i pastuerize it 50/50 is hafe an hafe right i just dont know how to pastuerize


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7778461 - 12/19/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7778483 - 12/19/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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shroomials said:
whats coir and how do i pastuerize it 50/50 is hafe an hafe right i just dont know how to pastuerize



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php
tpye in pastuerization. You can learn many things by searching, your brain will expand but not explode :thumbup:


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: Green420Thang]
    #7778683 - 12/19/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don't worry about what coir is. Focus on this.

A) Take your casing, put it in a pillowcase.
B) Put that into a pot of water that is at 160 degrees. You will need a thermometer.
C) Leave it in there for 2 hours.

When it is done, let it cool. Like 12 hours should be fine. You don't want too much water in there so take hand fulls of it and squeeze as much water out of it as you can. There is probably some other way of doing it that I haven't figured out, because I suck.


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: thedefone]
    #7779552 - 12/19/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

what do u meen whats my casing u meen verm i was gonna use verm an coir so yea ur confusing me


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7779627 - 12/19/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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what do u meen whats my casing u meen verm i was gonna use verm an coir so yea ur confusing me




What on God's green earth are you talking about? Who are you talking to? Do you have a question? I'm done giving you advice. If you can't even read enough to figure out the basics, then why should I bother with you?

Stop. Just stop.


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7780394 - 12/20/07 04:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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shroomials said:
what do u meen whats my casing u meen verm i was gonna use verm an coir so yea ur confusing me




You really need to use some punctuation and clear writing man, it can get very hard to understand you sometimes and you will miss out on some great answers because people cannot be bothered to decipher your posts.

What I think you were saying.

What do you mean? What is my casing? Do you mean verm? I was going to use verm and coir so now you are confusing me

What do you mean? What is my casing?

First mistake here. It shows you haven't even read the basics on casings. http://www.shroomery.org/5214/What-is-casing

You mean verm? I was going to use verm and coir so now you are confusing me

Coir isn't recommended as casing material as it contains nutrients. Peat and verm mix is much better.

I will do the same as thedefone. Unless you improve your typing, this is the last of your questions I answer. Nothing personal, it just gets annoying to have to spend 10 minutes deciphering your posts


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7780395 - 12/20/07 04:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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shroomials said:
what do u meen whats my casing u meen verm i was gonna use verm an coir so yea ur confusing me




You really need to use some punctuation and clear writing man, it can get very hard to understand you sometimes and you will miss out on some great answers because people cannot be bothered to decipher your posts.

What I think you were saying.

What do you mean? What is my casing? Do you mean verm? I was going to use verm and coir so now you are confusing me

What do you mean? What is my casing?

First mistake here. It shows you haven't even read the basics on casings. http://www.shroomery.org/5214/What-is-casing

You mean verm? I was going to use verm and coir so now you are confusing me

Coir isn't recommended as casing material as it contains nutrients. Peat and verm mix is much better.

I will do the same as thedefone. Unless you improve your typing, this is the last of your questions I answer. Nothing personal, it just gets annoying to have to spend 10 minutes deciphering your posts


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: shroomials]
    #7780403 - 12/20/07 04:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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shroomials said:
what do u meen whats my casing u meen verm i was gonna use verm an coir so yea ur confusing me




You really need to use some punctuation and clear writing man, it can get very hard to understand you sometimes and you will miss out on some great answers because people cannot be bothered to decipher your posts.

What I think you were saying.

What do you mean? What is my casing? Do you mean verm? I was going to use verm and coir so now you are confusing me

What do you mean? What is my casing?

First mistake here. It shows you haven't even read the basics on casings. http://www.shroomery.org/5214/What-is-casing

You mean verm? I was going to use verm and coir so now you are confusing me

Coir isn't recommended as casing material as it contains nutrients. Peat and verm mix is much better.

I will do the same as thedefone. Unless you improve your typing, this is the last of your questions I answer. Nothing personal, it just gets annoying to have to spend 10 minutes deciphering your posts


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Re: Top layer casing mix!!!! question [Re: Nibin]
    #7781055 - 12/20/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed, Here is the most simple casing preparation there is.

Buy some Miracle Grow Moisture Control from you local garden center/store.
Miracle Grow Moisture Control shall be referred to as MGMC from herein.

Bring the MGMC to FIELD CAPACITY. definition - Content of water, on a mass or volume basis, remaining in a soil after being saturated with water and after free drainage is negligible. simpler terms, the mgmc is hydrated with water you add bit by bit, until when you squeeze it only a drop or two seep out.

Put the MGMC in a microwaveable tupperware container, and get some Saran wrap. Saran wrap the top of the container closed (honestly I don't know if you can use the lid or not..)

Put it in the microwave and put on HIGH for 5 minutes. Get oven mitts when its done, CAUTION HOT!!!

Let cool, covered. Hours later when cool enough to handle, mix it up nice with your hands and lay it down on your colonized substrate. Make a level grade with a fork and voila you have cased your substrate.
cover your trays with saran wrap or aluminum foil for a few days to let the casing layer colonize When you see enough even whiteness poking through, uncover and expose to fresh air, light, and mist to keep humidity up.

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Edited by Green420Thang (12/20/07 02:41 PM)


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