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MushmanTheManic said: My answer is Nietzsche's answer... is that cheating?
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Icelander
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MarkostheGnostic said: Sounds intriguing, but there's nothing rapturous about end-stage tertiary syphillis and nothing transcendental about how the great thinker got the disease.
Which has nothing at all to do with this thread except once again to show your bias and closed and IMO, fearful mind. Carry on Markos.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (12/21/07 11:50 AM)
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Icelander
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Re: Primal unity, eternally suffering. [Re: Icelander]
#7785328 - 12/21/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The nihilist is in an unusual position in relation to the world. Unlike a Cartesian, the nihilist is never able to satisfy himself that the world is as it seems. He has no Archimedean Point on which to stand, and so no way to be certain of what is real or imaginary, or of what is true or false. This skepticism about man's ability to understand the world was described by Nietzsche as the "death of God." (3) Man's loss of faith in God and the eternal truths that He ensures undermines all structures of authority, leaving man in a position where, apart from his will to do so, he has no justification for asserting anything as true or false.(4) This responsibility for one's perspective is potentially crippling, and may lead to feelings of despair and negativity. If nothing can be known for certain, and if there are no objective standards by which to judge truth and falsehood, life could be seen as meaningless and absurd. Further, if life is meaningless and absurd, then there is no justification for choosing life over death.
All nihilists must deal with the issue of if and how life has value. This is the very topic which propelled Albert Camus' writing career, and as he observed, the nihilist is not committed to life denial or suicide. He may, instead, elect to suffer through life in uncertainty, struggling each and every day with feelings of negativity as an option against suicide and death. As another option, he may choose to rebel against this negative propensity and instead of feeling resentment towards his situation, will himself to experience the exhilaration of interpretive freedom. The choice of the nihilist is, then, not necessarily the choice between living or dying, but the choice between adopting a passive or an active stance towards the world. Both Camus and Nietzsche advocate the choice of active over passive nihilism.(5)
Passive nihilism is indicative of a decline in spiritual power. It is characterized by the inability to create, or in the extreme, to react. The passive nihilist is one who, when faced with the world's uncertainty, withdraws and refuses to engage the world. For him, uncertainty is a sufficient condition not to proceed through life, and so paralyzed by fear of the unknown and unknowable, he does nothing. Nietzsche describes this tendency as "...the weary nihilism that no longer attacks...a passive nihilism, a sign of weakness."(6)
Active nihilism, on the other hand, is indicative of a relative increase in spiritual power. The active nihilist sees freedom where the passive nihilist sees absurdity or meaninglessness. He chooses action and creation instead of passivity and withdrawal. For him, the lack of objective standards of truth motivates self created standards and criteria. The active nihilist is not active despite the unknown, but because of it. He possesses a store of creative energy and power which allows him to impose personal meaning on the world while never forgetting that he is the source and progenitor of that meaning. He is heroic in this sense, facing the world with courage and purpose.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Primal unity, eternally suffering. [Re: Icelander]
#7786633 - 12/21/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Amazing! Icelander I propose those passages as a form of personally satisfying beauty. The characteristic descriptions given mirror very well the various fluctuations of personal spiritual energy I've felt my whole life.
And when one says absurdity,and meaningless, its basically unfathomable to understand them unless you experienced them, likewise with the feeling of contacting the electricity of new creations, or being swept into a natural flow of positive or mysterious energy that blossoms the most speachless situations
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Re: Primal unity, eternally suffering. [Re: krin]
#7787263 - 12/21/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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meaning is found in the present moment
if you are blissful there's nothing to worry about
clearing away the distractions from bliss can be challenging... but... well worth it
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Re: Primal unity, eternally suffering. [Re: deff]
#7787539 - 12/21/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Neitzsche speaks the truth but i'd be a fool to believe in him
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Re: Primal unity, eternally suffering. [Re: krin]
#7788760 - 12/22/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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krin said: Amazing! Icelander I propose those passages as a form of personally satisfying beauty. The characteristic descriptions given mirror very well the various fluctuations of personal spiritual energy I've felt my whole life.
And when one says absurdity,and meaningless, its basically unfathomable to understand them unless you experienced them, likewise with the feeling of contacting the electricity of new creations, or being swept into a natural flow of positive or mysterious energy that blossoms the most speachless situations
Well to be honest Nietzsche and I part company on the absurdity and meaningless part. In fact by imposing his personal and somewhat negative views/meaning (the truly existent primal unity, eternally suffering and contradictory.) on the universe he is not being a good nihilist. Many people feel the universe is not absurd or in most ways negative. He was IMO projecting his personal feelings (most likely programs from early childhood) as the truth about the unknown.
In fact as far as I know we cannot know the meaning or purpose of life and so need not make a value judgment about it unless it serves us and we realize it is subjective only and not "truth". I see myself as a active nihilist at least in part.
Like I stated before we all can find only a piece of the puzzle whether we are Jesus, Nietzsche or you or I.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (12/22/07 12:18 PM)
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