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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: Enothe] * 1
    #7781196 - 12/20/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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awsome you got it.

im curious if this is a hybrid.
ive read that PF created albinos on accident when experimenting with using UV light (black lights) as the only light source. this mutation became genetic and continued in offspring even with normal light.

anyone know if this is true? if so couldn't you create it without a mixing strains?




This is a varietal hybrid of the Penis Envy strain and the original PF Albino selected for penis shaped caps and albinism. It is unclear if UV exposure is responsible for the original PF albinism since the mutation did appear spontaneously. But at any rate, genetic damage by UV exposure is random and is likely to cause detrimental mutations in addition to albinism. So it might be possible to create an albino Penis Envy strain with only UV exposure, but the effect would be random and would likely result in a less vigorous strain. It might also just die out from genetic damage and never produce the desired traits.

Crossing a damaged strain like the PF albino with a healthier strain and selecting for albinism can ultimately produce a better albino strain. Such a result can be seen in the Falbino, a cross between the F strain and PF Albino which looks almost like a normal cubensis in shape but without any pigment. With breeding, selection is controlled and the results more predictable than with random mutation inducing methods.


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: Workman]
    #7784303 - 12/21/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well said.
your the best workman
cant wait to get me some of these!


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: Enothe]
    #7784347 - 12/21/07 02:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: Workman]
    #7784408 - 12/21/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When you speak about damaged strains, do those strains exhibit other characteristics such as lower or higher psilocybin content under a controlled growing environment? I say that because I can already hear the replies about how nutrient, temperature, and substrate influences actives in the fruit body. If you have subject (A) and subject (B) ("A" being the standard strain, and "B" being the cross), and cultivate them under the same conditions, will the cross produce lower amounts or higher amounts of actives?


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: Workman]
    #7785688 - 12/21/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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This is a varietal hybrid of the Penis Envy strain and the original PF Albino selected for penis shaped caps and albinism.  It is unclear if UV exposure is responsible for the original PF albinism since the mutation did appear spontaneously.  But at any rate, genetic damage by UV exposure is random and is likely to cause detrimental mutations in addition to albinism.  So it might be possible to create an albino Penis Envy strain with only UV exposure, but the effect would be random and would likely result in a less vigorous strain.  It might also just die out from genetic damage and never produce the desired traits.

Crossing a damaged strain like the PF albino with a healthier strain and selecting for albinism can ultimately produce a better albino strain.  Such a result can be seen in the Falbino, a cross between the F strain and PF Albino which looks almost like a normal cubensis in shape but without any pigment.  With breeding, selection is controlled and the results more predictable than with random mutation inducing methods.




PF and i tested many different strains under the black light to see if the mutation could be duplicated. i even tried PE. the only strain to produce albinos (that we tested) was the PFC.

i have duplicated PF's discovery 3 times using black light.. out of about 5-6 attempts with the PFC. so there is something about at least some of the PFC's "sub" strains that is susceptible to the mutation.

they are quite beautiful my friend!!! :laugh: very inspiring!

i gotta get to work on more varietal crosses myself! i still want an albino SA!!! :smile:


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: FooMan]
    #7786564 - 12/21/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Enothe said:
any clue when we might find it on sporeworks?



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January.




I can't wait.
It seems Christmas comes twice next year. :yesnod:


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #7786736 - 12/21/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is totally cool. Way too advanced for me to even grasp, though.


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7791296 - 12/23/07 01:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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When you speak about damaged strains, do those strains exhibit other characteristics such as lower or higher psilocybin content under a controlled growing environment? I say that because I can already hear the replies about how nutrient, temperature, and substrate influences actives in the fruit body. If you have subject (A) and subject (B) ("A" being the standard strain, and "B" being the cross), and cultivate them under the same conditions, will the cross produce lower amounts or higher amounts of actives?




i know the question is for Workman, but i can't help but yap about albinos :p

i wouldn't say the cross of vars itself is responsible for any change in potency. i believe it's the damaged dna and it's relation to the lack of ability to reproduce that affect potency in a positive fashion. much like a plant going to seed. take away the seeding process and the plant performs better overall. the PE, PF Albino and Falbino make the perfect canidates for crosses provided the theory is true. we may yet see the most potent of all albino crosses in APE.

Workman may have some more insight as well.. he's a lot better at this than i am!


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #7791614 - 12/23/07 06:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

The shroomy 1 said:
When you speak about damaged strains, do those strains exhibit other characteristics such as lower or higher psilocybin content under a controlled growing environment? I say that because I can already hear the replies about how nutrient, temperature, and substrate influences actives in the fruit body. If you have subject (A) and subject (B) ("A" being the standard strain, and "B" being the cross), and cultivate them under the same conditions, will the cross produce lower amounts or higher amounts of actives?




i know the question is for Workman, but i can't help but yap about albinos :p

i wouldn't say the cross of vars itself is responsible for any change in potency. i believe it's the damaged dna and it's relation to the lack of ability to reproduce that affect potency in a positive fashion. much like a plant going to seed. take away the seeding process and the plant performs better overall. the PE, PF Albino and Falbino make the perfect canidates for crosses provided the theory is true. we may yet see the most potent of all albino crosses in APE.

Workman may have some more insight as well.. he's a lot better at this than i am!




So what I hear you saying is that inherently, the albino species will not be able to reproduce due to it's damaged DNA, yet because of that, it will "theoretically" produce higher amounts of actives. If that is correct, How will we be able to acquire viable spores from Workman? It seems like the only way to perpetuate the "cross" would be through tissue samples.


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: Workman]
    #7791683 - 12/23/07 07:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7791736 - 12/23/07 08:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The shroomy 1 said:
When you speak about damaged strains, do those strains exhibit other characteristics such as lower or higher psilocybin content under a controlled growing environment?  I say that because I can already hear the replies about how nutrient, temperature, and substrate influences actives in the fruit body. If you have subject (A) and subject (B) ("A" being the standard strain, and "B" being the cross), and cultivate them under the same conditions, will the cross produce lower amounts or higher amounts of actives?




i know the question is for Workman, but i can't help but yap about albinos :p

i wouldn't say the cross of vars itself is responsible for any change in potency. i believe it's the damaged dna and it's relation to the lack of ability to reproduce that affect potency in a positive fashion. much like a plant going to seed. take away the seeding process and the plant performs better overall. the PE, PF Albino and Falbino make the perfect canidates for crosses provided the theory is true. we may yet see the most potent of all albino crosses in APE.

Workman may have some more insight as well.. he's a lot better at this than i am!




So what I hear you saying is that inherently, the albino species will not be able to reproduce due to it's damaged DNA, yet because of that, it will "theoretically" produce higher amounts of actives.  If that is correct, How will we be able to acquire viable spores from Workman?  It seems like the only way to perpetuate the "cross" would be through tissue samples.




actually the albinos do generate spores, just very few in comparison to a pigmented fruit. spore collection with a PFA is quite difficult. Spore collection with a white Falbino is slightly improved, but still very light. the Falbino sample i sent Workman was originally generated from white (clear) spores.. then cloned later. although few in number the spores are quite viable :smile:

Workman and i have both been working on improved collection methods with some success. apparently Workman is having very good success being that APE will soon be available to the public :laugh: my initial guess would be that spore collection with APE would be almost as difficult as collection with the PFA being that both parents are light spore producers. BUT, if it drops spores from all gills like Falbino, then it is a vast improvement over the original PFA which only drops from a few gills.


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #7791753 - 12/23/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Got Ya! Can't wait to experiment with them!


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #7791755 - 12/23/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, I forgot to ask, If I was to try and make a spore print, what media would I print to? (since it is a clear spore).


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7791815 - 12/23/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh, I forgot to ask, If I was to try and make a spore print, what media would I print to? (since it is a clear spore).




they are easiest to see on dark glass, but if held at the right angle foil works as well. they can also be somewhat seen through clear glass but no matter which way they are invisible in water with the naked eye. it makes locating them while making syringes a real pain.

don't worry.. if i can do it, so can you!

much love to ya!

Workman's gonna kill me for running away with his thread haha!


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #7792130 - 12/23/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

thanks chosen one, glad someone has tried the UV thing.
i was curious if it was all BS or legit.


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #7792549 - 12/23/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Naw! Workman's cool! Thanks for the awesome feedback. 5 for you (and workman!).


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7793148 - 12/23/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

props workman, you have outdone yourself with this one. I really can't wait to order a print of your creation.


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: ewikk055]
    #7793174 - 12/23/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I seriously can't wait until this comes out, this is the only cube I will grow period.


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7793505 - 12/23/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Naw! Workman's cool! Thanks for the awesome feedback. 5 for you (and workman!).




hehe yeah. he's a good guy. i love him dearly.

thanks!


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Re: Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0 [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #7970906 - 02/02/08 10:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Are these available yet?
I looked at sporeworks but couldn't find them.


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