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Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally
    #7775977 - 12/18/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Coroner's office continues its investigation.

Let the conspiracy theories fly.


Police say death was accidental

http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/news/009315.html

by Louis Bohan, staff writer
October 18, 2007 12:53 PM

Five weeks after the naked body of SF State student John Schirra, 22 was found in an empty lot with multiple stab wounds, the SF Medical Examiner has ruled the death accidental.

Schirra, an SF State Broadcast and Electronic Communication Arts major known to many as Daniel, died on Sept. 3, of “blunt trauma to the head,” possibly caused by the effects associated with the presence of the hallucinogenic drug LSD, which was found in Schirra’s system, Dewayne Tully of the SFPD Public Affairs Office said Tuesday.

Tully said that SFPD homicide detectives “believe there was no foul play.”

“It is quite possible that the wounds were self-inflicted,” Tully said.

SF State criminal justice professor Ken Walsh said that the stab wounds could have been superficial-shallow enough to not be the cause of death.

As for the likelihood that Schirra inflicted his own wounds, Walsh said that it is characteristic of “someone that goes into psychosis and stabs themselves.”

But, he said, “That’s just one investigative scenario… [The SFPD] ought to be able to explain the accidental part more.”

Initially, the public evidence suggested a brutal murder, which compelled Schirra’s good friend and SF State alumni Tim Sandburg to request that “the SF State community… warn the (college) kids how dangerous the Oceanview-Ingleside area is.”

In 2005, Schirra moved to San Francisco, joining Sandburg and other good friends, to study audio production.

In an autobiography project for school, Schirra wrote, “My ideal job after college is to open a studio to record bands that I like.” He wrote that he hoped to start various music projects to make money on the side while his greater goal grew to fruition.

The San Francisco County Coroner’s Office has not yet concluded the cause of death.
“The police may have concluded their examination, but ours is still ongoing,” said Nina Fiore from the coroner’s office.








1) Why would you do this to yourself on acid?
2) How could you do this to yourself accidentally?
3) From the quotes its presumed that the plasma LSD level found indicated this guy was intoxicated at the time of death, though they don't say that. If so, how significant would the intoxication have been?
4) I can understand someone making a quick, rash, decision like jumping from a building or something if they're unstable or wigging out, but how do you stab yourself repeatedly accidentally before finally ending your life via blunt head trauma?

I guess I'm glad there's not a rush to accuse anyone in the area of killing him without evidence of it, but this certainly doesn't seem accidental to me- am I missing something?


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: johnm214]
    #7776024 - 12/18/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well this guy I know.....

We were at a party and him and his chick were fighting. She dropped some evil bombs on him and he just flipped out and smashed a beer bottle over his head.....one shot.....glass everywhere. Hit the floor, got right back up a little dazed but still hysterical.

Now that could easily kill someone, and a psycho on acid, is that much more of a psycho.


The stab wounds.....well this guy had some serious problems.......


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: vandago]
    #7776077 - 12/19/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus Christ man. That is insane. I have heard some crazy stories about people on different drugs. So this could very well be possible. Thats pretty shitty tho, I can see this being on one of those "truth" commercials.


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: vandago]
    #7776118 - 12/19/07 12:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

vandago said:
Well this guy I know.....

We were at a party and him and his chick were fighting. She dropped some evil bombs on him and he just flipped out and smashed a beer bottle over his head.....one shot.....glass everywhere. Hit the floor, got right back up a little dazed but still hysterical.

Now that could easily kill someone, and a psycho on acid, is that much more of a psycho.


The stab wounds.....well this guy had some serious problems.......




Wow, thanks for sharing.

You know anything about the actual night he died?

Figures a chick would be involved... seems similar to elliott smith actually w/ the sheer insanity, weirdness


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: johnm214]
    #7776530 - 12/19/07 05:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

theres no way to determine whether he was on LSD or not. they can suspect all they want, but theyll never know.


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: johnm214]
    #7776631 - 12/19/07 07:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I honestly don't think they believe this horse shit, they are just lazy and have no leads.


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: Mr_DeeMsTer]
    #7776811 - 12/19/07 09:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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theres no way to determine whether he was on LSD or not. they can suspect all they want, but theyll never know.


I presume the blood levels have bee n correlated to effects, so that would work. But maybe this information isn't known?


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: johnm214]
    #7777341 - 12/19/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

maybe he was pissed he got sold some DOX


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: johnm214]
    #7777418 - 12/19/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah dude, "this guy I know" not he knows this guy.

Different guy then the guy who died i'm pretty surely certain!


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Quote:

vandago said:
Well this guy I know.....

We were at a party and him and his chick were fighting. She dropped some evil bombs on him and he just flipped out and smashed a beer bottle over his head.....one shot.....glass everywhere. Hit the floor, got right back up a little dazed but still hysterical.

Now that could easily kill someone, and a psycho on acid, is that much more of a psycho.


The stab wounds.....well this guy had some serious problems.......




Wow, thanks for sharing.

You know anything about the actual night he died?

Figures a chick would be involved... seems similar to elliott smith actually w/ the sheer insanity, weirdness




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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: flavoraid]
    #7778100 - 12/19/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ya I don't know that individual, just another person who did something similar.

That person is still alive, and unfortunatly hasn't gotten much better.....


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: vandago]
    #7778455 - 12/19/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like someone got away with murdering him.


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Re: Police rule student on LSD w/ multiple stab wounds, blunt head truama, died accidentally [Re: wireless]
    #7779409 - 12/19/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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wireless said:
Sounds like someone got away with murdering him.




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SF State criminal justice professor Ken Walsh said that the stab wounds could have been superficial-shallow enough to not be the cause of death."

so the stab wounds probably didnt kill him.




I'd like to hear more about the LSD found in his system. It sounds alot like an excuse to me.


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