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Invisible2sky
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    #7775736 - 12/18/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The reason all of the governments of the world are against drugs is that they allow people to know themselves, and then they have no power over them; and they love their power.
... Notes of a Madman / Rajneesh - 1985


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Re: Drugs [Re: 2sky]
    #7775893 - 12/18/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes the psychedelics are key. They are the secret to understanding what we are, and what we can do.

But some drugs (id say anything highly addictive or potentially fatal) are wack. They serve no purpose but to enslave people and generate cash.


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Re: Drugs [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7776048 - 12/18/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I totally agree and with that being said "Zeitgeist"


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Re: Drugs [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7776080 - 12/19/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But some drugs (id say anything highly addictive or potentially fatal) are wack. They serve no purpose but to enslave people and generate cash.

Or to have a great time. :shrug:


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3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Drugs [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7776476 - 12/19/07 04:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> But some drugs (id say anything highly addictive or potentially fatal) are wack.

Same as some activities, such as cave diving and rock climbing. Just because something is highly addictive and potentially fatal doesn't give you the right to tell me that I can't do it.


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Re: Drugs [Re: Seuss]
    #7776554 - 12/19/07 06:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

First power of The State is to maintain artificial boundaries.


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Re: Drugs [Re: eve69]
    #7776784 - 12/19/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

state is bully and drug dealer when it suits
naomi klein's new book "the shock doctrine"
clarifies how CIA uses disaster and torture
to control situations ranging from chile, Malasia, New Orleans, twin towers, Iraq south africa...

some drugs are not good for bullies
some ideas are not good for bullies.
find them and keep them secret.
in case the bullies are coming...
maybe, I hope, they are too busy with profit issues to bother with us.


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Re: Drugs [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7776910 - 12/19/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Are you saying our Govt is corrupt?:whoa: This is the first I've heard of this.


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Re: Drugs [Re: Icelander]
    #7777500 - 12/19/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

maybe corrupt
purely dedicated to milton friedman's (oligarchy system of) absolute free enterprise, which requires takeovers during disasters, fomenting disasters when no natural ones are forth coming, and torturing or killing any opposition.
like that,
is that corrupt or just evil.


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Re: Drugs [Re: 2sky]
    #7779244 - 12/19/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

2sky said:
The reason all of the governments of the world are against drugs is that they allow people to know themselves, and then they have no power over them; and they love their power.
... Notes of a Madman / Rajneesh - 1985




I don't know about that. Prohibitionary policies have been around for centuries, and the motive behind it has usually been one of enforcing a religious or political moral code. The alcohol prohibition movement started in 17th or 18th century England, with people believing drunkenness to be from the devil.

Drug prohibition in the US started because of fear. Not fear of people knowing themselves, but fear of white women and girls being raped and seduced by Chinese men high on opium, or black men high on cocaine, or Mexicans high on marijuana. There were likely also economic motives. The prohibitionary doctrine has continued through to today mainly because of political reasons, which seem to trump science, common sense, rationality, and compassion.


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Re: Drugs [Re: dblaney]
    #7779285 - 12/19/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think Thoreau who said "Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the individual."


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Re: Drugs [Re: fushock]
    #7779361 - 12/19/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think I said "gimmie drugs" :hehehe:


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Re: Drugs [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7779772 - 12/19/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you had never done drugs, you would be sure as to whether or not you actually said that. :rolleyes:


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Re: Drugs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7780117 - 12/20/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I <3 DROOGZ.


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Re: Drugs [Re: pooppoop]
    #7780126 - 12/20/07 12:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, who doesn't?


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Re: Drugs [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7783472 - 12/20/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just don't let the government catch you saying that...:eek:


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Re: Drugs [Re: fushock]
    #7784784 - 12/21/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, main thing is drugs usurp the regular reward and punishment response to something unpredictable, so since government relies on status quo drugs create an unpredictable populace, especially those drugs which have shamanic or visionary properties. I would say that the Sixties Yippie mentality was the single most unpredictable time in written human history, where people unfolded their inner strata to different places, previously uncharted.

The only problem being that the addictive drugs like coke, heroin, and barbituates, tranquilizers took over and then the end result was again predictable - the visionary took back seat to the predictions of disorder, chaos, madness, and death. Yippie icons self-destructed, or were callously destroyed, one or the other or both.

Drugs are not frowned upon by society, look around, half of our population are now on some chemical. What is frowned upon is upset of the status quo, especially if it comes from an uncontrollable series of visionary experiencers. People like to know where ones vision comes from. Was it prodigal? Or religious? Or what?

What am I saying? Government is founded upon control. If government cannot control it is not governing. Therefore the first rule of government is law and order. A law for each and everything.


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Re: Drugs [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7794758 - 12/24/07 04:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks. I've been wondering for a long time who did the demolition work on the WTC. Now I think I know.

The birth of that outfit is covered in a movie which came out about this time last year: The Good Shepard.


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