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#7775716 - 12/18/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm working on building a hollow wooden surfboard using the methodologies employed by the gentlmen at this site.
it's basically boat building techniques applied to surfboard shapes.
I've started with a 4 foot 'test' board.
I transcribed the rocker from a swallow tail I have and scaled it down.
I figured this way I don't need to go about wasting a lot of good wood building a full-size paper weight as many mistakes are sure to be had on my first pass....and there were plenty indeed.
this is what I have so far:





I'm currently gluing up the panel for the deck.
I'll have it clamped and glued tomorrow morning and shaped by dinner.
what's really mind blowing is this bead and cove tek they use for the rails. you can see I stacked mine up...very tough clamping and doesn't leave a lot of meat for shaping the rails...this is what they are doing with a simple bead and cove router bit to shape the wood into rounded interlocking pieces:

that is simply incredible.
I should have a new board by my birthday based on the results of this first try.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7776142 - 12/19/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7776220 - 12/19/07 01:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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awesome project, keep us updated!
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7776589 - 12/19/07 06:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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your craftsmanship is surprisingly good
its looking great for a hippy board!!
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7776855 - 12/19/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Which break you gonna try it on first?
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7776924 - 12/19/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I surf el porto near my house here in the south bay.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7776929 - 12/19/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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BIGSWANG said: your craftsmanship is surprisingly good
its looking great for a hippy board!!
the photos are a little fuzzy.
I think the bead and cove method will give me better glue lines on the rails.
I need to let the planer flatten my deck and hull...I tried to do the finishing work with my hand plane but the walnut has a lot of figure which makes it difficult to plane without a lot of tear out.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7776951 - 12/19/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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afoaf said: I surf el porto near my house here in the south bay.
I was always afriad to surf south bay when i lived in the LA area. I stuck to HB, Leo, Oxnard, and occasionally Ventura. Although Ventura has the WORST locals on the fucking planet. I got my tires slashed there once. If I was going to ventura, I'd go at odd times in the afternoon. Posting on surfline I noticed a lotta people who were assholes to the noobs and kooks tended to be from south bay too so I stayed away.
Fucking Ventura assholes. I always stayed far away from everyone else as well and never even came close to dropping in on anything. In most cases even when I had it, I'd give way to the longboarders who look like they owned the spot. Dickwads.
If al Queda ever nukes a spot in the U.S... I hope they take out C Street while all the locals are out there.
Then again.. that's where I proposed to my fiance :P I should have picked a better spot. 
HB has the nicest locals because there's plenty of space. I learned a ton when I lived there.
Went to Trestles once... that shit was my favorite. I felt like I was in another world out there away from everything.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7776959 - 12/19/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7777592 - 12/19/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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looking good man
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7777827 - 12/19/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, once you hit Ox/tura, things get SUPER localized...
honestly, South Bay isn't that bad.
EVERYONE surfs El Porto...I usually hit it a couple towers south of el porto because it tends to be a little better, less crowded, but there is a local crew there...I just stay out of the way and share waves...it's a beach break so it's difficult for anyone to really run the spot, per se.
we do have lunada bay down here, but you just don't surf it...I think LB is the pinnacle of localization in california, even moreso than windansea.
I just realized after returning to socal from living at Ocean Beach in SF for years is that the surf here just fucking blows. period....it's small and largely shitty unless you want to drive to suit the swell or you live in La Jolla...I just go out weekday mornings and evenings...go paddleboarding on weekends and avoid the crowds from the 909.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7780089 - 12/20/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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afoaf said:
I just realized after returning to socal from living at Ocean Beach in SF for years is that the surf here just fucking blows. period....
At least you don't have to wear a wet suit year round in Socal (only 9 months/year.. hah!) 
If you LIVE near a beach and get a chance to go on the weekdays... it's not that bad in VC/LA/OC. I had that luxury in HB, along with it being a beach where you can get 2+ miles of good breaks.
On weekends though... don't even bother. I don't think there's anywhere between Dana Pt and Malibu that isn't fucking packed as shit on weekends.
That's why I did Leo a lot.... close to town, but you don't have to deal with a crowded lineup... probably because too many people are freaked out after watching the surfers there SMASH into the giant rock. My first day there I watched one dude with a helmet wipe out and roll right into it.
At least if you get impaled on one of many under-water rocks there, there will be plenty of spectators to get an ambo there quick :P Plus the locals there are really chill. They figure if you're annoying as shit, you'll reap what you sow REAL fast.
If you get a chance, cruise up PCH and look for it on the western most end of Malibu. Although, I wouldn't bring a board you wouldn't mind gettin dinged
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7812017 - 12/29/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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leo carillo?
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7812044 - 12/29/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh, btw, started the full size board.
modeled on the big skip frye fishes...final size should be around 7'10"


shaped board using http://www.aps3000.com and exported hollow frame parts to PDF and printed up in full size at Kinko's

tail profile

feather board I nigger rigged to help with resawing the boards down to 1/4"

milled lumber, 1/4" boards, redwood, walnut, basswood, poplar

gluing panel

final panel

keel and ribs before glue up

centered profile on panel and outlined shape

built a rocker table and shimmed it to fit the profile of the keel rocker to help bend the panel to fit the frame.

wet towels and clamps
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7812751 - 12/30/07 07:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ur doing a great job. with a wood shop like yours, i assume you have woodworking in your history. i cant wait to see it finished. do you do the final finish in something like west systems 2 part epoxy?
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7812815 - 12/30/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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afoaf said: leo carillo?
You've never been to Leo? It's a really nice spot. Really rocky. Just cruise down PCH to the very far outskirts of Malibu a few miles past all the crowds and you'll find it. Just look for a cliff where you don't see anyone, but there are like 50 cars parked on the side of PCH.


Just watch out for this rock:

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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7813092 - 12/30/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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when does it work?
nw, w, sw?
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7813118 - 12/30/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Leo Carrillo is best on a medium tide, with south or southwest swells up to double overhead"
I see...
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7813513 - 12/30/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just be careful of the rocks.... if you go out at Low tide you'll see there are plenty of underwater rocks west of the main rocks. I almost landed on one after wiping out.. but it's fun..
It's kinda like HB.. even on a bad day you can still catch a descent wave here and there.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7823738 - 01/02/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Had a bit of a setback.
my towels were far too wet, I over-saturated the panel casing it to cup and split.


so I layed up a new panel...it's about 4 hours of work going from rough lumber to final glue up on these things...but I'm getting the process dialed.

after the glue was done, I did some initial bending on the rocker table

and then yesterday I actually glued the frame to the panel and clamped it all down. the panel curved to the shape of the rocker well...not cracks or creaking...just waiting for the epoxy (3M 5200) to finish curing so I can start laying down the chine and the rail strips.

In the meantime, I'm enhancing my router table a bit by fitting it with a t-slot for a horizontal featherboard. this way I have lateral and vertical pressure on the 1/4" strips I'm milling with the bead and cove bit.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7823753 - 01/02/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Is it common to find hallow wooden boards out there nowadays? How to they ride compared to regular boards? I know the old regular wood ones they rode 50+ years ago were ALL wood and weighed like 150lb.
And I'd imagine that 99.9% of active surfers out there just use regular boards (plexiglass is it? with that funky foam built in the middle)?
Although,... in the past year or two I'd imagine there'd be more people making their own using alternative methods ever since that company in HB shut down that provided all the foam to most surfboard makers.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7824726 - 01/02/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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it's a budding niche...I don't see many (any) wood boards where I'm at.
I have 2 chambered balsas...a 7something and a 9'0" and they are both really nice rides.
the longboard floats me nicely and picks up waves well...I can't push it quite as hard as my Stewart, but I think that's more a function of the shape than weight...I'm big and the Stewart is a high perf shape.
The spine and rib design I'm using now will further lighten the board relative to the chambered approach which uses much more solid wood. In all honesty, the balsa long board isn't even really all that heavy.
I finished the fixes to my router table and milled my first batch of rail strips out of some basswood scrap I had left

round the top on the first pass and then cut out the cove on the second pass...all one bit, just has to be raised and lowered to expose the specific profile you're cutting.
this way the strips stack nicely on one another with a greater amount of glue surface, but, more importantly, also allow you to build a curve in to the stack of rail strips with the round joint.
it's really rather ingenious (not my idea).
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7825050 - 01/02/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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When it's done.. do me a favor? Can you take it up to C Street at Ventura and use it to MOW DOWN a bunch of locals for me?
I want to get my vicarious revenge through you.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7870667 - 01/12/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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a brief hiatus last week while out of town on business.
today I put together the tail block and glued up the chine and base bead strip for the rails on one side of the board.



took off a lot of the clamps on the board, I don't think I have to worry about the nose snapping off on this one like the test board.
I'll get the rail on the other side set up later tonite and get build up at least 2 passes of bead and cove rail strips tomorrow.
I'm still aiming to complete this before the end of the month.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7872640 - 01/13/08 08:51 AM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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how much is that gonna weigh when its done?
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7872763 - 01/13/08 09:49 AM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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I have no clue.
I took meat out of the internal frame as you can see in the last shot with those holes.
I'm using the lightest wood available to me (redwood, basswood, cedar) and I'm not going to glass it...just a couple coats of epoxy.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7873160 - 01/13/08 12:15 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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I wonder if wooden boards are harder to ding and crack than regular old boards.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7876422 - 01/13/08 11:42 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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last night's glue up went well.

so I set up the chine and base bead strip on the other side this morning.

setting up rail first thing in the morning is good because you'll get two glue ups in a single day.

once both sides were chined and considering the epoxy has had nearly 14 days to set I figured it was as good a time as any to cut out the rough outline and take the last of the clamps off the rocker table.

I'm so stoked to see the lines starting to shape up.
before the second set of rail strips, I took the time to hand plane down the tail section to the rough taper I'm looking for.

and just before bed, I got my second set of rail strips steamed, bent and set in place with glue.

I GOT YO CLAMPZ, NIGGA!!!!
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7877236 - 01/14/08 07:15 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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whats the ETA on finishing this? If I'm not mistaken, you guys are in the middle of the good season for big ass waves right NOW
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7877368 - 01/14/08 08:33 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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looking good so far!
big project, I hope it rides good and lasts a while
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7877639 - 01/14/08 10:04 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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yeah, surf has been nice lately...it will stay good through about March or so and then it basically goes flat for the summer.
I'm aiming to get this done by the end of the month.
just want to see how much time it takes to complete.
I've already identified ways to speed the process up completely.
if I had the space (and clamps) I could technically parallel path two boards at a time.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7881024 - 01/14/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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many sexy sexy time love love



all of a sudden I need the deck and fin boxes but I don't have either ready at the moment...also need to figure out vent and leash plugs and whether or not I'm going to stain or oil it before epoxy.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7894571 - 01/17/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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been doing some tuning.
I've got the bottom shaped...I've been tuning up the rails.
as I was building up the rails, I discovered that the ribs were a little domed.
this is bad news....you definitely want those ribs as flat on the top as possible so that you can build your rail up and find a point that requires the minimum (if any) amount of bend to get the decking to meet the rails...resting on the keel and the rib as true as possible...this is the foundation of the deck which will be bearing a substantial amount of weight in certain conditions.
I had too much fat up there, compounding the problem, my rails weren't stacking quite how I wanted them to, so I took a chisel and a block plane to the keel and ribs and took some meat off.

got the rails 50-50 at the nose with a bit of beak left on the top, faded in to 60-40 on the center faded back to a hard flat tail section.

resawed some wood and picked the layout for my panel...eliminated the little stringer strips...it's two more faces to glue and two more joints that can go to shit during the panel glue up so I figured I'd KISS.

I'm going big and using a wide strip of birdseye for the center strip.
I think it looks hot next to the deep redwood and the pattern of the wood is going to be sex once I oil it up and seal the board.
(unfinished surface)

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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7894912 - 01/17/08 08:57 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Look good... but I think it's needs giant metal, sharp spokes on the sides... so you can take out other surfers a-la Ben_Hur_Circus_Maximus style.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: BrAiN]
#7905129 - 01/20/08 09:49 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#7905318 - 01/20/08 10:45 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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the tail is gruesome
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: alphabeatu]
#8003203 - 02/09/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've skipped a lot of pictures, but the board is done.



taken it out once during some high tide mush...need a good low tide day to know for sure whether it's going to be a surfboard or a new coffee table.
learned A LOT on this one...including how not to glass!
will never use maple or poplar again...working on sourcing paulownia and balsa wood.
next project is going to be a big 12 foot stand up paddleboard thingy.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#8003699 - 02/10/08 05:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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very nice! I hope it doens't weigh a ton..
have you tried it out yet?
when you show the bottom of the board in the last pic, it looks like the fins aren't really pointed straight forward? but are sligtly pointed like this / \
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: afoaf]
#8003772 - 02/10/08 07:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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pretty cool
it'd have looked heaps better with a rounded pintail or just a pintail tho imo
did you just want a swallow tail because you prefer?
id have thought the pintails would be easier to do
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: alphabeatu]
#8003792 - 02/10/08 07:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Avenge me and mow those ventura fuckers down for me!
And bring a knife.... they slash tires of people who aren't local.
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Re: wooden surfboard [Re: stefan]
#8013845 - 02/12/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the fins are purposefully toed-in, as you pointed out as well as canted out...meaning they are not completely perpendicular to the base, they are each tipped out toward the rail side at about 94`.
I got it out in some good low tide conditions the other day and had some really fun rides...she is officially a surfboard and not my new coffee table.
the weight is high...especially after glassing.
I chalk this up to my first time using epoxy...I can make it much lighter next time.
already noodling on the next board...going to try to do a stand up paddleboard using stitch and glue techniques.


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