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grod31
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Quart jar question
#7775353 - 12/18/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So i have 5 quart jars(wbs) after 20 days now 4 of them are 90% or over colonized and the other is only about 70% I know this is over average (im using a syringe with 1+1/2 cc per quart) and i was wondering if it was sum thing i did wrong that is causing to take so long. They are in complete darkness 70 to 80 degrees with a slight airflow. i have shaken them twice. So what i was wondering is can i just use the 4 that will be shortly done and just use the 70% of the other jar, im planing on mixing them with coir and coffe grounds. on a second question how long can i soak wbs for i have sum soaking now for 4 days, i forgot about it... is it still good ?
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Re: Quart jar question [Re: grod31]
#7775613 - 12/18/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jars colonizing slowly is usually due to incorrect moisture content in jars.
I would just wait for them all to colonize or only use the colonized portion. I don't see why your plan wouldn't work though.
Soaking WBS for that long is a bad idea since the seeds may germinate and then they cant be used.
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Re: Quart jar question [Re: pazzy]
#7775847 - 12/18/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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just quoting what i have read.. maybe they need more oxygen.. if you have a lid on it tightly.. it could be slowing it down. or try putting the jar upside down to change the center of gravity.. again.. jsut what i have read
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Re: Quart jar question [Re: Her0]
#7775862 - 12/18/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I Found that Using Quarts is much harder with WBS. I too Had problems with Colonizing 100% and How long it took. I reccommend switching to Pints
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lostinautumn7
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flipping the jars upside down is a good idea, but the reason we do it is to let the carbon dioxide inside flow out of your gas exchange holes. that should work fine. otherwise, patience is the best medicine. I have seen quarts take a little over a month before and there was nothing wrong with them. next time try hydrating your grains a little more, just make sure you don't explode them. also were you using a spore syringe or did you use liquid culture? if you weren't using liquid culture then you really can't be all that surprised at the amount of time it has taken at all, liquid culture can lower your colonization times by allot, and you can make so much at a time that you will be able to use more than 1.5 cc and that will help you out allot too.
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also, i wouldn't use the seed after that long. I am surprised that they haven't started to smell horrible already, all those nasty nasty things that are alive in there now....also they have probably absorbed too much moisture and might explode in the PC. and like someone else said they may have even germinated and become unusable as well.
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Re: Quart jar question [Re: grod31]
#7776051 - 12/18/07 11:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Temperature, gas exchange and moisture content are the main things that will slow colonization speed. I would stop shaking the jar to start. Once should be all you need. More than that and you are just damaging the myc for nothing. Check your filter and your temps. If it's a moisture problem, you may be SOL.
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Re: Quart jar question [Re: FooMan]
#7776089 - 12/19/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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another quick note..since i noticed his post. give fooman's wbs method a shot next time. i used it for almost a year and it never did me wrong, real effective too, didn't have a problem with a single jar that year. only time i had any trouble with it at all was when i started trying to add gypsum to my grains then i had to soak to get it even on all the grains and by then i had picked up what the moisture content was "supposed" to be, thanks to foo's method.
edit: by the way, thanks foo
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Edited by lostinautumn7 (12/19/07 12:14 AM)
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lostinautumn7 said: and KillerPicklez that is a mighty fine avatar.
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From my experience, slow colonization is just that. (SLOW COLONIZATION) I have left quart jars fully colonized for weeks before I could get around to them. I don't even worry about fast colonizers versus slow colonizers anymore. I just wait until they are all ready to go! And when they are all ready to go, If I'm not ready.... Then Oh well! I'M NOT READY!!! As far as the WBS being soaked for 4 days..... Oh well! So long as the seed is not molded over, (which shouldn't happen if it's covered with water, then don't worry about it! Let drain for about 6 hours before pressure cooking. I still don't understand what the deal is about the seed "exploding"! I LOVE MY SEED TO EXPLODE! It gives me so much more surface area to work with. If drained correctly, there is no problem.
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hmmm thanks for the info , the lid isont on to tight but im going to turn the jars upside down fr a day (maybe its carbon dioxide) as far as the moister im doing this with someone who has done it alot of times and he says the moister is still perfect.
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The shroomy 1 said: I still don't understand what the deal is about the seed "exploding"! I LOVE MY SEED TO EXPLODE! It gives me so much more surface area to work with. If drained correctly, there is no problem.
if this is true, then you have just made my day...but from my experience i have had problems with exploded grains fully colonizing due to what i thought was a starch problem...but now that i think about it maybe it was due to an excessive moisture problem (maybe i shouldn't believe everything i read). in your jars, do your grains explode pre or post pc? and do you do a pre drain rinse off? thanks shroomy. and not that i don't believe shroomy because i always enjoy his posts and he always seems very knowledgeable, but does anyone have a second opinion this for us? and sorry for the semi on topic thread jack.
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RogerRabbit said: I hate burst kernels. They slow down colonization and release starches, which cause problems later. Slow hydration is the key. I get very few burst kernels after a 24 hour soak. RR
jacked that from another thread, hope that helps. and hope RR doesn't mind....since he's banning for pleasure now...lol
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This is a close up of my WBS at the point I like it the best. Notice the full, plump, exploded kernals?
This is a picture of some jars colonizing.
Does it seriously look like exploded seeds pose ANY BIT OF A PROBLEM? Hell no It is very important to let the seed drain properly after simmering for 20 minutes. Oh, yes, I soak my WBS for about 1 1/2 days to 2 days before simmering it. I rinse the seed to death afterwards and let drain in a strainer for anywhere from 6to 12 hours
  
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lostinautumn7
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right on man....that is exactly why you earned 5 shrooms from me. we also use the same strainer.
p.s. i never said you were wrong, i just wanted to get a second opinion.
p.p.s. i would still like to know more about this starch business in the wbs. if not jar colonization then when does it effect the myc? i just doubt RR would say anything about it if it wasn't at least partially true.
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The shroomy 1
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Good question! I never question RR on any advice he gives, I take it as him bestowing wisdom. I'm curious about the starch thing though, maybe it's because I strain the seed almost obsessively. That could be helping me with the starch problems some may have.
Oh, I wasn't offended or anything close to that, lol! I was just excited to provide pictures. Peace! Got to go to work...:(
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i think your post soak rinse helps too, i hope RR sees this and cares to elaborate. till then i will scour the archives and the rest of the web try and find a little help, then i will post again. maybe i should start a new thread, instead of jacking this poor guys honest request for help anymore. peace.
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hey man im learning too the more info passd around the better. Does anyone think that there would be seeds with less starch that we could use or mix with wbs to lower the starch. what if i just happened to have a couple quart jars of regs seeds (pot) could that work. im not going to im just curious.
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Re: Quart jar question [Re: grod31]
#7779930 - 12/19/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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actually, i would be really interested to see the results of that experiment. try it. i have never even thought of that. badass. if myc can grow on hemp or a QP of white widow (RR) i don't see why it couldn't work on seeds from hemp...or a similar product.
that would definitely be a good way to get some fast shroomery fame.
again. mega badass idea.  
don't have a clue about lowering the starch content though, another good idea...another thing to add to my research list.
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it is covered in the faq of shroomery that mj seeds are no good to use and they carry more oil then other seeds , thus making it a bad choice in cultivation of shrooms
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well now i look foolish. oh well. i still like where you're going with the creativity.
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barley grain has a real low starch content. just thought i'd share.
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yeah i realized that. thats why i asked the question in the first place.. but after an overnight soaking and pc'ing i thought it would have lost the harmful oils.
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So now I'm on a google tangent trying to find out the correlation between starch and the growth of mycelium. Cubensis. Damn it and I have to go to work!
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The shroomy 1 said: So now I'm on a google tangent trying to find out the correlation between starch and the growth of mycelium. Cubensis. Damn it and I have to go to work!
lol, i can never seem to pry myself away either. i love it. if i find any good resources in regards to this i will definitely send them to you.
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Thanks! I'll do the same.
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