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Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict?
    #7775008 - 12/18/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It has not cost them a penny or a drop of blood, and their name has hardly been mentioned until a couple of months ago.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: 2sky]
    #7775011 - 12/18/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict?



Osama Bin Laden


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: 2sky]
    #7775031 - 12/18/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Jews!


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #7782262 - 12/20/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Military Industrial Complex? I used to work at a place who was on a contract with the military, and they were making some killer $$$. If we weren't at war or playing policeman around the world, this company would be out of business.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: ElectricJW]
    #7782275 - 12/20/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Iraqi people. They've been liberated from tyranny, what gift could be greater?


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7782332 - 12/20/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The media... they finally get some shit to talk about


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: 2sky]
    #7782343 - 12/20/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Iran, they have benefited tremendously by placing stooges in the oil rich areas of south Iraq, plus they can keep the ability to wage a covert war on the US via Shiite proxy militias.

They have also created a Shiite swath directly into Syria for smuggling arms into Lebanon, so Iraq has directly contributed to Hezbollah's new advanced weaponry.

They have also profited immensely on petrol smuggling in and out of the Iran/Iraq border and with a friendly Iraqi government destroyed their number one adversary with one fell swoop.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7783432 - 12/20/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

>Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict?

SATAN


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: Minstrel]
    #7792284 - 12/23/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ariel sharon..stupid fucking vegetable


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: fake estate]
    #7792782 - 12/23/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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ariel sharon..stupid fucking vegetable




I agree. If he had never gotten out of Gaza God would not have sent him into a coma. Shame on him for removing those settlers.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: downforpot]
    #7792949 - 12/23/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

North Korea and Iran strike me as having more room to piss everyone off now. The US has largely spent its local and international capital on Iraq, and so N. Korea feels like it's cool to set off missles towards Japan and detonate nukes (this was confirmed, was it not?). And since the UN seems very slow to ever do anything, these countries can rely on allies to help obstruct any international consensus on their overt acts.
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Iran gets much more press, for some reason, despite no rational being presented, but they still seem to know they can demand more then perhaps they could have some time ago.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: johnm214]
    #7792956 - 12/23/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict?

Haliburton, and untill recently Blackwater.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: johnm214]
    #7793327 - 12/23/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Iran and NK are able to get away with more now, huh? I don't think so. Before 9/11 NK and Iraq were percolating along quite merrily. The Clinton's paid NK off to stop their nuclear program but didn't bother checking that they did. Suddenly it's a done deal. But I think, because of the wake up calls, governments started to notice and a great hue and cry went up. There may actually have been a diplomatically successful effort with them. Time will tell.

Iran? Remember that NIE estimate that came out the other day? The one that made all the Bush haters gleeful? Well the one thing I believe out of it is the conclusion that Iran had a secret nuke program until 2003. Let's see, hmmmmmm. US invades Iraq in 2003. Secret nuke program ends in 2003. I turn 47 in 2003. Coincidence? I don't think so, momentous events were foretold for my 47th year. We'll see what happens down the road but I don't think there's been a distraction. I think there's been a wakeup call. Pakistan didn't actually develop it's program in daylight and that fucker (Khan) has been quite the naughty little nuke virus.

No, I don't think those boys are suffering from any inattention at all.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7793349 - 12/23/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Gulf States are incredibly petrified of Iran, and they are saddened the US is going to stop the pressure on Iran.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119682417350614074.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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The release of the new National Intelligence Estimate will provide more fodder for those who claim that "neoconservative ideologues" and the "Israel lobby" are overly alarmed about the rise of Iran. In reality, some of those most worried about the mullahs wear flowing headdresses, not yarmulkes, and they have good cause for concern, notwithstanding the sanguine tilt many news accounts put on the NIE.





http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200712/FOR20071205d.html

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week after attending the U.S.-sponsored Israeli-Palestinian peace conference in Annapolis, Md., Gulf States have announced that they will not support U.S. efforts to isolate Iran, but an analyst here said it is because they are afraid of Iran.

A secondary aim - some say the main purpose - of the summit, which drew participation from over 40 nations and organizations, was to form a coalition of so-called moderate Arab States to combat the growing threat from a nuclear Iran.







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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7793377 - 12/23/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, I know. The Euroweenies? Not so much. I understand their concern that we may fuck them like we fucked the Kurds. Once we get out, the biggest dog left is gonna try for it all. And that dog chops off heads of unbelievers. They should feel more secure that we won't abandon them like we did the Hmong. If I wasn't lazy I could think of another ally we betrayed because of the idiots who make up a rather loud portion of this country.

At any rate, I don't believe for one second the notion that they have gotten a free pass due to our supposed single minded obsession with Iraq. They are under a microscope nobody would have thought to look through 5 years ago.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7793506 - 12/23/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The battle for Iran and its idealogies is taking place in Iraq and Lebanon right now. They are using their proxy militias like Mahdi Army,SCIRI, and Hezbollah to spread their revolutionary shiite beliefs.

They have put the fear of god in Saudia Arabia who are actively donating money to salafist sunni causes in Iraq, as long as they distance themselves from Al Qaeda they receive large amounts of arms and support from Saudi representatives. Some of these groups still fight America.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7793530 - 12/23/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You're going to have to do better than that to link the SA gummint with funding of groups fighting Americans. But that's off topic.

Yeah, Iran's doing this stuff. We know it. It hasn't been news for a long time. They are not being ignored any more now than they were for the last 30 years. In fact, there is an uncomfortable spotlight on them right now.


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7793541 - 12/23/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its hard to prove but its happening, SA isnt going to stand around while Iran is creating a buffer with Iraqs shiite populace. Groups like Islamic Army in Iraq or 1920 revolution brigades are being generously equipped to attack Al Qaeda or shiite safawists...


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7793721 - 12/23/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

question was regarding the time previous to the iraq war, not 9/11... lets not conflate the two like certain world leaders have

I'm sure that 9/11 if anything hypersensitized americans and hopefully the rest of the world to the dangers of rouge governments, but that doesn't mean the iraq war didn't hurt the american position on those countries I've mentioned


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Re: Who has been the BIG winner in the Iraq conflict? [Re: ElectricJW]
    #7794487 - 12/24/07 12:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The Military Industrial Complex?  I used to work at a place who was on a contract with the military, and they were making some killer $$$.  If we weren't at war or playing policeman around the world, this company would be out of business.




What, were you working for Rudy Giluliani? :smirk:


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