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After we die...
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...assuming there's an afterlife of some sort do you think we retain some of our ego or do you think it is incinerated?
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I don't usually try to speculate about what happens after death, but I'm almost certain that the ego does not survive death, especially since it can barely survive certain high-dose LSD trips.
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Silversoul said: I don't usually try to speculate about what happens after death, but I'm almost certain that the ego does not survive death, especially since it can barely survive certain high-dose LSD trips.
True, I just hope it isn't like a constant Salvia trip.
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Silversoul said: I don't usually try to speculate about what happens after death, but I'm almost certain that the ego does not survive death, especially since it can barely survive certain high-dose LSD trips.
True, I just hope it isn't like a constant Salvia trip.
Hahah.. me too. If death is the great unknown, I could be spending eternities being very confused. That's why I hope it is more like the clear light experience and what have you.
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perhaps it is eternal dreaming?
until your life-energy/spirit whathaveyou recycles into another being?
who knows.
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Silversoul said: I don't usually try to speculate about what happens after death, but I'm almost certain that the ego does not survive death, especially since it can barely survive certain high-dose LSD trips.
True, I just hope it isn't like a constant Salvia trip.
Hopefully more like a constant DMT trip. You know, there's something I sometimes wonder about: If consciousness ceases at death, and if DMT is in fact released in the dying brain, I wonder if that could be like an eternal afterlife. I'm sure we've all experienced that time-warping qualities of psychedelics. If our dying brain releases large amounts of DMT, it could warp our perception to the point that the last seconds before brain death could actually be experienced as an eternity.
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Silversoul said: I don't usually try to speculate about what happens after death, but I'm almost certain that the ego does not survive death, especially since it can barely survive certain high-dose LSD trips.
True, I just hope it isn't like a constant Salvia trip.
Hopefully more like a constant DMT trip. You know, there's something I sometimes wonder about: If consciousness ceases at death, and if DMT is in fact released in the dying brain, I wonder if that could be like an eternal afterlife. I'm sure we've all experienced that time-warping qualities of psychedelics. If our dying brain releases large amounts of DMT, it could warp our perception to the point that the last seconds before brain death could actually be experienced as an eternity.
Very interesting thought man! You should make a thread about this idea.
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reeferaddict69 said: I just hope it isn't like a constant Salvia trip.
It won't matter if it is.
You'll be DEAD.
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reeferaddict69 said: ...assuming there's an afterlife of some sort do you think we retain some of our ego or do you think it is incinerated?
I'd say neither. Both possibilities you raise pre-suppose that the ego is some static and existent thing in the first place.
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Re: After we die... [Re: Rose]
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reeferaddict69 said: I just hope it isn't like a constant Salvia trip.
It won't matter if it is.
You'll be DEAD.
Your physical body will be dead but that doesn't mean your essence is lost in the process of dying
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When I take my ABBA CD and smash it into a zillion pieces, where does the music go?
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OrgoneConclusion said: When I take my ABBA CD and smash it into a zillion pieces, where does the music go?
Where was the music in the first place?
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Did I set that up perfectly for you?
*shmoopy taps toe and hums along*
Youre a teaser, you turn em on Leave them burning and then youre gone Looking out for another, anyone will do Youre in the mood for a dance And when you get the chance...
You are the dancing queen, young and sweet, only seventeen Dancing queen, feel the beat from the tambourine You can dance, you can jive, having the time of your life See that girl, watch that scene, dig in the dancing queen
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reeferaddict69 said: I just hope it isn't like a constant Salvia trip.
It won't matter if it is.
You'll be DEAD.
Your physical body will be dead but that doesn't mean your essence is lost in the process of dying
What is your essence?
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Did I set that up perfectly for you?
*shmoopy taps toe and hums along*
Youre a teaser, you turn em on Leave them burning and then youre gone Looking out for another, anyone will do Youre in the mood for a dance And when you get the chance...
You are the dancing queen, young and sweet, only seventeen Dancing queen, feel the beat from the tambourine You can dance, you can jive, having the time of your life See that girl, watch that scene, dig in the dancing queen
nicely done
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Re: After we die... [Re: dblaney]
#7775499 - 12/18/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Our essence is the patterns imprinted on us during a lifetime of experience and stored in the brain. When the brain is dissolved the information and the pattern is lost forever.
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When I say essence I mean spirit not ego
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OrgoneConclusion said: Our essence is the patterns imprinted on us during a lifetime of experience and stored in the brain.
No, that is the ego.
Our essence will forever exist, because the essence didn't come after the beginning of the creation of our bodies, it preceded it. So our essence must exist without the body. Our essence is everywhere.
I think there will always be conciousness. You don't need the ego to be conscious now do you..
Ego-loss feels like becoming one with everything, and you cannot differentiate your body from your surroundings. So no "ego", but energy remains percieving itself. It is like you become raw energy that experiences everything.
Who knows? There is life everywhere friends. In all directions and planes and everything. Everything is life.
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Spirit is indefinable, immeasureable, unobservable, and unknowable; in other words, it is fantasy based on ancient superstition.
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I think if there is a spirit, and if I know the same spirit that others are referring to, spirit is observable, but it's so simple and essential that it is ineffable. I say this based on a mushroom trip where I saw an invisible force guiding all of creation more so than what we take to be autonomous beings, or 50/50 - concurrent..
spirit, life force, tao.. it all seems to be the same thing
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reeferaddict69 said: ...assuming there's an afterlife of some sort do you think we retain some of our ego or do you think it is incinerated?
I think our ego is incarcerated.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Spirit is indefinable, immeasureable, unobservable, and unknowable; in other words, it is fantasy based on ancient superstition.
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Re: After we die... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7777477 - 12/19/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Using does not sustain your point
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Better?
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Hmmm, not entirely but you're getting close
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How about this?
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That was it!
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OrgoneConclusion said: Spirit is indefinable, immeasureable, unobservable, and unknowable; in other words, it is fantasy based on ancient superstition.
That doesn't mean it doesn't exist now does it?
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But it doesn't mean it does.
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Re: After we die... [Re: Icelander]
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That doesn't mean it doesn't exist now does it?
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It means that we do not know
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Hey, this is somewhat off-topic, but do you guys believe that "enlightenment" is moving from developing one's ego to developing "spirit"? These conversations you guys have really make me think, but I don't think this is worth making another thread about.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Our essence is the patterns imprinted on us during a lifetime of experience and stored in the brain. When the brain is dissolved the information and the pattern is lost forever.
Essence refers to the fundamental part or basis of something. Now, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you, but by definition, wouldn't the essence in what you say above not be the patterns, but the "us" that is having patterns imprinted upon it?
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Re: After we die... [Re: dblaney]
#7779281 - 12/19/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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'We' is the pattern.
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And who/what is following that pattern?
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I dont't think spirit (if it exists) could be developed. I would guess it was timeless and without any specific qualities, but only the totality being what it is. If spirit actually did exist, then I think that the development of ego would be in the direction of staying open or empty enough to let the actual spirit bypass those filters that compromise our ego in the first place. Or second.
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Re: After we die... [Re: dblaney]
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Your question, while grammatically correct, is nonsensical.
When water vapor forms into the pattern of a cloud who/what is following the pattern?
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Re: After we die... [Re: dorkus]
#7779676 - 12/19/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is the big tao and then there is the pinkie tao. You choose.
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Re: After we die... [Re: dorkus]
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Death is ego-killing intensity, but the 'Ground Consciousness' is Present to us in each moment as the background and source of ego-consciousness. I tend to think there is a radical 'figure-ground shift' and as the ego dies away, the Great Moment of Realization - the dawning of the Clear Light - is a matter of intensity, NOT duration. Eternity is an intense moment of the ego slipping blissfully (if one is prepared) into eternity as "the dewdrop slips into the Shining Sea" in the words of poet Edwin Arnold in 'The Light of Asia.' The should be a liberating, relieving moment of familiarity, of intimacy with THAT which finally overwhelms us. 'IT' has always been with us, so close it actually IS what we are, whether true Self, God or Clear Light. We Awaken from the mistake that we were something else our whole lives - our biological selves. Blissful, fearless, our survivors find a smile on our dead lips.
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> I believe its your "ego" and your personal you that you take to the after life with you.
I'm the opposite... it is our "ego" (or sense of duality) that keeps us bound to individual consciousness while "after life" is an awakening to singular consciousness shared by everything. I like to use a quilt as an analogy; our individual lives are like the patches in the quilt, but if we could step back, we would see that the individual patches are really a part of the whole.
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Re: After we die... [Re: Seuss]
#7780660 - 12/20/07 07:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Step back?
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