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EternalCowabunga
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I think if there is a spirit, and if I know the same spirit that others are referring to, spirit is observable, but it's so simple and essential that it is ineffable. I say this based on a mushroom trip where I saw an invisible force guiding all of creation more so than what we take to be autonomous beings, or 50/50 - concurrent..
spirit, life force, tao.. it all seems to be the same thing
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Icelander
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reeferaddict69 said: ...assuming there's an afterlife of some sort do you think we retain some of our ego or do you think it is incinerated?
I think our ego is incarcerated.
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Ginseng1
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OrgoneConclusion said: Spirit is indefinable, immeasureable, unobservable, and unknowable; in other words, it is fantasy based on ancient superstition.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: After we die... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7777477 - 12/19/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Using does not sustain your point
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MushroomTrip said: Using does not sustain your point

Better?
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Hmmm, not entirely but you're getting close
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How about this?
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MushroomTrip
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That was it!
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RonaldFuckingPaul
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OrgoneConclusion said: Spirit is indefinable, immeasureable, unobservable, and unknowable; in other words, it is fantasy based on ancient superstition.
That doesn't mean it doesn't exist now does it?
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Icelander
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But it doesn't mean it does.
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Re: After we die... [Re: Icelander]
#7777879 - 12/19/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: But it doesn't mean it does.
That doesn't mean it doesn't exist now does it?
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It means that we do not know
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in_sherman
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Hey, this is somewhat off-topic, but do you guys believe that "enlightenment" is moving from developing one's ego to developing "spirit"? These conversations you guys have really make me think, but I don't think this is worth making another thread about.
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dblaney
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OrgoneConclusion said: Our essence is the patterns imprinted on us during a lifetime of experience and stored in the brain. When the brain is dissolved the information and the pattern is lost forever.
Essence refers to the fundamental part or basis of something. Now, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you, but by definition, wouldn't the essence in what you say above not be the patterns, but the "us" that is having patterns imprinted upon it?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: After we die... [Re: dblaney]
#7779281 - 12/19/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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'We' is the pattern.
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dblaney
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And who/what is following that pattern?
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dorkus
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I dont't think spirit (if it exists) could be developed. I would guess it was timeless and without any specific qualities, but only the totality being what it is. If spirit actually did exist, then I think that the development of ego would be in the direction of staying open or empty enough to let the actual spirit bypass those filters that compromise our ego in the first place. Or second.
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Re: After we die... [Re: dblaney]
#7779491 - 12/19/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your question, while grammatically correct, is nonsensical.
When water vapor forms into the pattern of a cloud who/what is following the pattern?
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Re: After we die... [Re: dorkus]
#7779676 - 12/19/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is the big tao and then there is the pinkie tao. You choose.
Remember that tao plus tao = faour.
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