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TheHauntingSoul
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A religion that advocates drug use?
#7774573 - 12/18/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it would be great if a religion was formed that celebrated the exploration of the psyche. It would be a huge wake-up call to the world because i'm sure the religion would grow fairly quickly, being one of the only religions to not have bullshit rules and rediculous beliefs.
I dont mean to offend anybody by that, but i think that one of the first steps to creating a more drug-tolerant world is to form a religion that would eventually represent a good portion of the population.
If it sounds rediculous, look at the figures on the DEA website, that shows how prominent drug use is among today's youth. I'm doing my part in introducing as many people as possible into the fantastic world of psychadelic drugs. The more people that try them, the more people that will tolerate it instead of forming rediculous laws against drugs considering that alcohol is more harmful and potentially fatal drug than almost any drug out there.
But seriously we need a religion that formerly advocates safe and careful drug experimentation. What are your thoughts?
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NationofStrangers
Beeeeyah!!!!



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I believe that is what the brotherhood of eternal love was trying to do.
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TheravadaDreams
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Theravada Buddhism Rastafarianism Shamanism THC Ministries Druidism Wicca
And the list goes on and on.
Religion doesn't really settle anything as far as drug policy is concerned, hypocritical politicians do.
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somebody041
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Theravada Buddhism advocates drug use? What kind of drugs, and why?
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just suprised to hear that. I have taken afew classes on Buddhism and that has never came up.
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F1234K
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Re: A religion that advocates drug use? [Re: somebody041]
#7774671 - 12/18/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And adam bit into the apple (aka mushroom) and his eyes were opened and he realized he was naked.
Bible drugs
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Re: A religion that advocates drug use? [Re: somebody041]
#7774672 - 12/18/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have to understand that most of religions that use drugs do not accept "drug use" but accept the using of "tools" as a way to gain more insight and spirituality. They don't say go use drugs recreationally or how you want, but use xyz drug (usually a specific one) with the group or to learn more about yourself and xyz religion.
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TheravadaDreams
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Re: A religion that advocates drug use? [Re: somebody041]
#7774675 - 12/18/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's not so much advocating, but more tolerating, or just not giving a shit. That's what I love about Buddhism, it's all about personal decisions, with a lack of "Organized Control."
Now when I went to the Rochester Zen Center, phillip kaplue smokes pot. He's the founder and zendo master.
-------------------- "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." -Siddhartha Guatama a.k.a Buddha. MonsterMitch Mono-Tub.
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Acaterpillar
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TheravadaDreams said: It's not so much advocating, but more tolerating, or just not giving a shit. That's what I love about Buddhism, it's all about personal decisions, with a lack of "Organized Control."
Now when I went to the Rochester Zen Center, phillip kaplue smokes pot. He's the founder and zendo master.
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Coaster
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Re: A religion that advocates drug use? [Re: Acaterpillar]
#7775458 - 12/18/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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learningtofly
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TheHauntingSoul said: I think it would be great if a religion was formed that celebrated the exploration of the psyche. It would be a huge wake-up call to the world because i'm sure the religion would grow fairly quickly, being one of the only religions to not have bullshit rules and rediculous beliefs.
LOL YA RIGHT. If by huge wake-up call you mean a supreme court trial about the legitimacy of their drug use. People will discard it as hippy bullshit or some form of "Native" religion. They exist already and the world has not suddenly gone "O shit, maybe we're wrong."
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I dont mean to offend anybody by that, but i think that one of the first steps to creating a more drug-tolerant world is to form a religion that would eventually represent a good portion of the population.
it's not offensive. it's just not going to work.
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If it sounds rediculous, look at the figures on the DEA website, that shows how prominent drug use is among today's youth. I'm doing my part in introducing as many people as possible into the fantastic world of psychadelic drugs. The more people that try them, the more people that will tolerate it instead of forming rediculous laws against drugs considering that alcohol is more harmful and potentially fatal drug than almost any drug out there.
So your religion is a half-assed excuse to get high? People who are totally against them are not just going to accept them just because everyone does it or is even made legal. Look at slavery, they weren't just "accepted" outa nowhere.
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But seriously we need a religion that formerly advocates safe and careful drug experimentation. What are your thoughts?
To me that doesn't sound like a religion at all, the idea should not be advocating/pushing drug use, but to provide legitimate information about drug use and facts that show that you will not die and it will not make people kill each other.
You need to realize that the conservative/orthodox religious folk don't give two shits about any other religion except theirs. There are already religions that use drugs as tools and the DEA hates them.
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porcupine
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TheravadaDreams said: It's not so much advocating, but more tolerating, or just not giving a shit. That's what I love about Buddhism, it's all about personal decisions, with a lack of "Organized Control."
Now when I went to the Rochester Zen Center, phillip kaplue smokes pot. He's the founder and zendo master.
as far as i know, buddha advised one to refrain from all intoxicants. just because some buddhists use or advocate drug use doesn't mean buddhism advocates (or even accepts) drug use. i would say, as a whole, buddhism is more against drug use than for it.
in terms of a religion which advocates drug use, timothy leary tried to this in the sixties starting a religion where the sacraments were specifically marijuana and lsd. he hoped that by doing this, he could ensure that marijuana and lsd would remain legal to use for religious purposes. obviously this didn't succeed.
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SlashOZ
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don't try so hard...
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fapjack
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Religion is about spirituality AND philosophy, drug policy is a philosophy. Drug advocates do need to get organized though, but not behind a religion. Just because more than 1 person believes something doesn't make it any more official though. Believe what you believe to be true, not what someone else believes.
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boxcarguy07
Uno



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Re: A religion that advocates drug use? [Re: fapjack]
#7775829 - 12/18/07 10:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's my personal belief that Jesus and his disciples used both cannabis and amanita mushrooms. And so did the early Christians until the Catholic Church took over.
And while I do see the book of Genesis as an allegory, if there was a "fruit of the knowledge of good and evil" it was definitely an entheogenic substance
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