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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: xFrockx]
    #7776921 - 12/19/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You got me and Veritas baby.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7779106 - 12/19/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly I'm becoming more and more afraid of how "authority" will try and expand its control on not only our actions, but our minds.

Violent resistance, anyone?  :cool:


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Tension is who you think you should be. Relaxation is who you are.
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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Ozekat]
    #7780990 - 12/20/07 10:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Your fears are well founded I believe. The World Bank could well be positioning the economic/money structure for the creation of a One World Govt.

Can you say Dark Ages? Can you say more slavery?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7781570 - 12/20/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've had this idea in my head for a while, but never tried to put it into words, so bear with me if it doesn't make any sense:

The universe is made of atoms and the like, tiny pieces of matter that go about their days according to laws of the universe that they cannot change, nor have the will to change. In this universe there is no "freedom" because there is no choice involved, there is only the interaction of matter and perhaps a measure of luck involved with each reaction.

In contrast to this is any form of life. The individual cell doesn't simply go about it days according to the laws of the universe, it takes active part in its world and changes things according to its needs and wants. The same could be said about humanity; we don't operate according to some universal principles and our free will is what separates us from the rest of the universe. We actively mess around with things and create what would never have existed, we essentially are a wrench in the cogs of the universe.

I'm seeing the universe as a system of order whereas the second you introduce life into the mix you get an aspect of chaos. But to deny this chaos is to devolve into something without purpose, because without choice how can there be purpose? If we just go to work, come home and sleep, rinse and repeat until we die, how are we any different than a star in a galaxy that revolves until it burns out, our existence would have no meaning beyond continuing to uphold the stability. But if we go imagine and create according to our free will we will have truly used our freedom.


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7782037 - 12/20/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Purpose is as void as anything else. At best atoms are contraptions of themselves, at worst contraptions of ourselves. What our culture now needs is to kick itself so hard in the nuts it starts dividing by zero.


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7783251 - 12/20/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:

The more I understand this guy the more affinity I feel with his beliefs.






What did I tell ya, dear friend. I knew you and Nietzsche would make a great team! :grin:


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7784901 - 12/21/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

One big divergence for me is his belief that the universe was essentially pain and suffering. The opposite is to believe that reality is all good and loving. I take the middle path here and say the Universe is both.

Really, all these philosophers are just guessing based on their personal life experiences. They, like all of us, are groping and guessing at truth. Now you can pick the one or ones you like to agree with and that's about all there is to it.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7784907 - 12/21/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MeatyVitamin said:
I've had this idea in my head for a while, but never tried to put it into words, so bear with me if it doesn't make any sense:

The universe is made of atoms and the like, tiny pieces of matter that go about their days according to laws of the universe that they cannot change, nor have the will to change. In this universe there is no "freedom" because there is no choice involved, there is only the interaction of matter and perhaps a measure of luck involved with each reaction.

In contrast to this is any form of life. The individual cell doesn't simply go about it days according to the laws of the universe, it takes active part in its world and changes things according to its needs and wants. The same could be said about humanity; we don't operate according to some universal principles and our free will is what separates us from the rest of the universe. We actively mess around with things and create what would never have existed, we essentially are a wrench in the cogs of the universe.

I'm seeing the universe as a system of order whereas the second you introduce life into the mix you get an aspect of chaos. But to deny this chaos is to devolve into something without purpose, because without choice how can there be purpose? If we just go to work, come home and sleep, rinse and repeat until we die, how are we any different than a star in a galaxy that revolves until it burns out, our existence would have no meaning beyond continuing to uphold the stability. But if we go imagine and create according to our free will we will have truly used our freedom.




Nice theory. You are now a philosopher.:monkeydance::thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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