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InvisibleIcelander
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Our modern culture is so evolved.
    #7773219 - 12/18/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"For the present, the comedy of existence has not yet become conscious of itself. For the present, we still live in the age of tragedy, the age of moralities and religions." - Nietzche

The more I understand this guy the more affinity I feel with his beliefs.

The Universe is chaos and we continue to try and convince ourselves that we can order it. -Icelander


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7773229 - 12/18/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, it does seem a bit odd that I'm existing right now. Think of the ramifications. :shocked:


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7773241 - 12/18/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

odd compared to what? :wink:


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7773267 - 12/18/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
The Universe is chaos and we continue to try and convince ourselves that we can order it. -Icelander



Or is the universe order and we keep trying to find chaos in it?


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7773268 - 12/18/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The thought of our imminent death, of the idea of us not existing...

The experience of reality to a greater degree than we are normally accustomed to really brings one to question the nature of reality itself, and positions us back in a state of not knowing, immersed in the mystery of experiencing reality... it really makes you curious to know. :mushroom2:


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7773325 - 12/18/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Silversoul said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
The Universe is chaos and we continue to try and convince ourselves that we can order it. -Icelander



Or is the universe order and we keep trying to find chaos in it?




Maybe life looks a little different from your planet.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7773326 - 12/18/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If it is chaos how can we conceive of it at all? How could we conceive of a self which can act upon this chaos and make manifest his ideas, much less KNOW the self?

How can a human being who is capable of ordering his thought system as he chooses have effects in his mind and the minds of others?

And if he says his thought system is chaotic, does it not say more about his perception of himself, then the true nature of reality?


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7773335 - 12/18/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
The thought of our imminent death, of the idea of us not existing...

The experience of reality to a greater degree than we are normally accustomed to really brings one to question the nature of reality itself, and positions us back in a state of not knowing, immersed in the mystery of experiencing reality... it really makes you curious to know. :mushroom2:




I would say interesting rather than odd. Death is the norm and it's always been mystery. That may feel odd because our parents and culture usually tell us that there are common explanations for the mystery which turns out to be sooo untrue. Then it feels odd because we thought we knew what was up.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7773410 - 12/18/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think this is more true for today's culture than many ancient cultures. Death was a fact of life for the Egyptians, Aztecs, Greeks, and to a lesser extent the Romans. If anything I'd say according to Nietzsche our culture has declined compared to others. We live in a time where everyone somehow thinks they are a "superman" yet no one is.


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: xFrockx]
    #7773444 - 12/18/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am. :smirk:

You both have excellent points. But, still, I think it is odd. Not in a bad way, or anything. Its just like, wow, I exist right now, this is nuts, how could this be? It just seems peculiar that there is existance and here I am amongst it all. :shrug:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
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:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7773447 - 12/18/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
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Silversoul said:
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Icelander said:
The Universe is chaos and we continue to try and convince ourselves that we can order it. -Icelander



Or is the universe order and we keep trying to find chaos in it?




Maybe life looks a little different from your planet.:lol:



It always looks differently through a different reality tunnel.


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7773449 - 12/18/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's why I climb mountains instead of dig my way into them. :rofl2:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
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:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7773687 - 12/18/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think most are happy these days to have their so-called order implanted entirely by outside influences. it's just so much easier that way...thinking at all is awfully troublesome.


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Clean]
    #7773780 - 12/18/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yep, ([modern] external human) mal-intentioned authority doesn't want us to think. They want us to exist for them..


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7773813 - 12/18/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
I am. :smirk:

You both have excellent points. But, still, I think it is odd. Not in a bad way, or anything. Its just like, wow, I exist right now, this is nuts, how could this be? It just seems peculiar that there is existance and here I am amongst it all. :shrug:




I know what you mean. But no statement goes unchallenged for Icelander.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: xFrockx]
    #7773816 - 12/18/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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xFrockx said:
I think this is more true for today's culture than many ancient cultures. Death was a fact of life for the Egyptians, Aztecs, Greeks, and to a lesser extent the Romans. If anything I'd say according to Nietzsche our culture has declined compared to others. We live in a time where everyone somehow thinks they are a "superman" yet no one is.




My guess also.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: xFrockx]
    #7774319 - 12/18/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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xFrockx said:
I think this is more true for today's culture than many ancient cultures. Death was a fact of life for the Egyptians, Aztecs, Greeks, and to a lesser extent the Romans. If anything I'd say according to Nietzsche our culture has declined compared to others. We live in a time where everyone somehow thinks they are a "superman" yet no one is.




No one is divine and beyond their own mortality, but all is perfection nonetheless.

I think all religions and moralities express everything divinely, and even the changes in the modern culture bring us closer to divinity than we've ever been before.

Nonetheless, no matter how far we journey up towards the fountainhead, I doubt anybody's going to find the source anytime soon.


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Ravus]
    #7774352 - 12/18/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When i clicked this thread I thought were you going to talk about just how far we have come in a civilation. In just a short, relatively, 3,000 years we have gone from walking to anywhere we want to go, to having mechanized vehicles that transport us there stars wars style.

We have skyscrapers that stretch to the heavens.

Planes to fly us from continent to continent in under a day.

I can call someone on the other side of the world and have open communication in seconds.

I can read what someone is typing anywhere in the world from right here at my desk.

Everything is basically provided for us, from heat, to electricity. Yet we still consider ourselves at the base of the frontier. Which is probably true.


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: Icelander]
    #7774455 - 12/18/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Universe is chaos and we continue to try and convince ourselves that we can order it. ~ Real Candi


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Re: Our modern culture is so evolved. [Re: future]
    #7775522 - 12/18/07 08:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

In all honesty, in spit of all these technological advancements I think our species peaked during the age of enlightenment. Were is our John Locke? Where is our Descartes? I'd trade all the cell phones in the world for a few decent thinkers.


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