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handicappedrat
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Salvia as a hallucinogen
#7772932 - 12/18/07 06:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Salvias about to become illegal in alot of states, or so I've heard. I'm about to go get some, which is going to be my 50th time smoking the stuff.
The only thing is, my experience with it has never even compared with that of LSD, or closed-eye visuals on shrooms. I get sensations, occasionally, and they never are as powerful as those on shrooms. I get the manic laughter, once I felt like I was melting, another time someone poked my chest and I felt their finger go through my skin and poke my heart, but that's pretty much it. (I guess I've done way too much stuff if I consider that boring.)
The thing is, I hear alot about astral projection, I see Salvia related art that is NOTHING like what I experience. I smoke it with a torch lighter, a bong, etc.
I'm thinking that my main issue is the setting I'm doing it in, but I just want to make sure I'm doing it right, since it is more expensive than shrooms by the gram (which is really ridiculous in my opinion). Any tips to having a full blown Salvia experience, instead of this body high?
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clover606
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do you smoke leaf or extract?
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Diglottic_Sun
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: clover606]
#7772962 - 12/18/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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buy the highest X you can at a head shop. im not really a friend of salvia; mentally it tears apart voices i hear into their most basic ingredients... but if you want the best salvia high, the more you pay the better.
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ROX
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The highest X will just make him pass out and not remember anything
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pasteface
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: ROX]
#7773060 - 12/18/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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20X has always been good to me. It's like falling into another world and you instantly believe this is where you've been you're entire life. For me its more startling to "fall" back into the real world as it seems so unreal.
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Bend the Bong
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: pasteface]
#7773270 - 12/18/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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pasteface said: 20X has always been good to me. It's like falling into another world and you instantly believe this is where you've been you're entire life. For me its more startling to "fall" back into the real world as it seems so unreal.
yeah it does..while I was trippin on the 20x I felt an urge to climb out of my body
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handicappedrat
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I've smoked 25x and 20x and still only felt the body high, just wayyy more intense than 10-15x.
Should I try meditation?
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PyroBurns
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Are you smoking that Purple Sticky stuff? I tried that four times, and never broke through.
The last time I smoked it, I simply came in and made two peanut butter sandwhiches in one fluid motion. Strange, but not not psychedelic.
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Orbital_Saucer
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: PyroBurns]
#7775229 - 12/18/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Where I come from they either sell 40X, or 60X. Look for higher "proof", is all I can suggest.
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Siekoaktiv
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Man, I just got some very intense closed eye visuals off of a small bowlful of plain leaf... there was a strange shaped gate, with a heart in the middle, and it kept opening and closing, opening and closing, opening and closing...
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Shinmyoken
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#7775294 - 12/18/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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HOLY FUCK YOU FOUND KINGDOM HEARTS!!!!
Sorry, had to do it
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opensaysme
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you really gotta take big hits and hold the smoke in for as long as possible. if you're getting standardized 20x and you don't get a full blown salvia trip then you're doing something wrong. two bong rips in row, each held for as long as possible, will put me in another dimension.
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SlashOZ
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: opensaysme]
#7775768 - 12/18/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i've always found that one hit of 10x salvia from a good vendor is the way to go. we should stock up. i advocate the usage of salvia for everyone.
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symbiotic
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: SlashOZ]
#7777275 - 12/19/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My experiences with salvia were uncomfortable but I think that was because I tried resisting the effects, before I knew the usual key to bliss is "letting go"...I'm going to stock up today and give a report later on some bong rips. Does anyone know what states it is becoming illegal in and when? BTW you must use a torch lighter, not a bic!
Also is it possible to make a tea from the leaves, then maybe smoke some while high from the tea? I know it has been used in mexico but does anyone know how it was used tea, smoked, both?
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Edited by symbiotic (12/19/07 11:28 AM)
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opensaysme
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: symbiotic]
#7777709 - 12/19/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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torch lighter myth is nonsense, i've used a bic every time and have had some insane trips.
if anything, its a bong that is the key to success. but you can get there with a bowl as well its just gonna take a little longer and a bit more effort once you start feeling the effects.
Edited by opensaysme (12/19/07 01:37 PM)
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: opensaysme]
#7777855 - 12/19/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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the key is to burn the amount you need quickly and inhale it deeply. this is a very deliberate way to smoke. fast and deep, if you need more repeat. hopefully you took care of business in advance. after effects hit, normal reflexes are not dependable for 3 to 10 minutes.
bongs, torches, sentimental beliefs about a lady, and other unnecessary bizzaRRe rituals and lore are rampant with this cute little plant.
after over 600 experiences with salvia, I have a trustable sense of knowing, and a relaxed, sensitive, skepticism with delicious familiarity.
however, if you need a proxy or ritual to belay your natural fearful inclinations, use it, just know what you are doing and enjoy it without shame.
i strongly reccommend not using a torch. the heat from it is very extremely unhealthy to your breathing tissues.
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symbiotic
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I got some salvia zone 20x and am waiting on my brother to return my bong before i smoke it...from what i understand form wikipedia (which we all know how reliable that is) is that it takes a torck lighter to vaporise salvia A but a butane flame will only burn salvia b and d or some shit.
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Siekoaktiv
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: symbiotic]
#7778224 - 12/19/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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symbiotic said: I got some salvia zone 20x and am waiting on my brother to return my bong before i smoke it...from what i understand form wikipedia (which we all know how reliable that is) is that it takes a torck lighter to vaporise salvia A but a butane flame will only burn salvia b and d or some shit.
That's bullshit. Any Salvinorin besides A is inactive (or at least from what we know), and a butane flame is more than hot enough to vaporise Salvinorin A... trust me, I've had some intense Salvia experiences, and I've NEVER used a torch.
-------------------- I'm in need of a sterile sporeprint, if anyone wants to do a trade for some seeds or something, or maybe just for free if you have a lot of them............. i'd really appreciate it NuggetPorch said - "YES! YES!!!! Coaster its Faint, but its fucking there YOU see it!!! Perhaps we are both on some sort of unusual wave length associated with unusual neuro-transmitters, mind expansion white light, or something we can not even begin to understand or fathom to conceive because it is a gift of insight or a curse given to us by powers beyond our control, something we are not meant to know."
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#7778565 - 12/19/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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technically, the bic lighter ignites the leaf and when you smoke the ignited leaf the salvinorin which melts into teeny droplets flies into the smoke and gas and is inhaled into your lungs where it can be absorbed. extracts and plain leaf smoked this way have no salvinorin remaining in the ash. however vaporization does not exactly take place. the burning liberates the salvinorin into the smoke stream, and it is mostly liberated as a liquid, not a gas. some particulates are in the smoke as well. In any case using a torch for this is too hot (for your lung tissue) and not any more effective vis-a-vis vaporization.
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symbiotic
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Well I'm going to smoke some after i eat dinner, would you reccomend i just use a bic? I bought a small handheld torch lighter with it and am going to be smoking out a binger so i dont think the little extra heat will matter, could a torch flame actually blow the salvia into my down stem and not work as well?
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ShroomFan
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ive only smoked purple sticky 10x and it is the bomb. PLenty of beakthrough. Just smoke it out of a decent water peace torch the fuck out of it, take multiple hits and inhale deep, close eyes, and see ya later
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Bend the Bong
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Re: Salvia as a hallucinogen [Re: ShroomFan]
#7787668 - 12/21/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would like to try a tea or something where it isn't as physically overwhelming...when you take a fat rip of that purple sticky, or club 31 20x...that stuff isn't like smooth cannabis...you have to hold it in to get the full effect and when you exhale it feels like glass in your lungs plus you just got thrown in the middle of a powerful trip...no build up just zang...I would like something that lasted longer and just had a buildup like if you ate it
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