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If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan?
    #7772796 - 12/18/07 03:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hey just wondering which pan might be arguably the most potent, but ppl say a cube is a cube... so does that go for pans as well?


Also If anyone has a few extra Pan. spore prints and wants to trade for some Cube prints, I have plenty of strains to offer. Just looking for Pans or Aminata


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roby000 said: thats true a shotgun is almost like a college degree in a sense that if you show it to the right person at the right time you could make a lot of money.


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: P.Menace]
    #7772802 - 12/18/07 04:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Theres a spore print trade thread somewhere =-O sorry i dont know about pans :wink:


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: implee]
    #7773360 - 12/18/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

good question, i'm curious about this too


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: Molasses]
    #7773428 - 12/18/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

there are many different kinds of pans... same as cubes. if it is from the same species (I.E psilocybe cubensis or pan cyan. etc.)then yes it is the same but may have some small differences genetically depending on the climate is was grown in. There are MANY different pans out there, so no. A pan isn't a pan, if you mean that all pans are the same.


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7773464 - 12/18/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

courtesy of the mushroom cultivator.

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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7773536 - 12/18/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

a cubensis isn't really a cubensis either

they vary in potency, yield, characteristics, ect.

Such as penis envy = potent, high yield, dense

Golden Teachers are potent and have prefered visuals.

People say a cube is a cube because Panaelous and Psilocybe Azures are stronger.... I'm pretty sure thats why people say a cube is a cube neways.


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: flavoraid]
    #7773575 - 12/18/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes, those are change due to the climate they were grown in. They are all cubensis', but are characteristically modified by different climates over long periods of time.


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"From 1898 through to 1910 heroin was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children."

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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7773647 - 12/18/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ahh I see. so then i guess my question should be stated as thus:
Which mushroom strain arguably contains the highest content of active alkaloids?


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roby000 said: thats true a shotgun is almost like a college degree in a sense that if you show it to the right person at the right time you could make a lot of money.


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: P.Menace]
    #7773686 - 12/18/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/5120/What-is-the-most-potent-mushroom

From the general mushroom FAQ from the main site


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: Nibin]
    #7773720 - 12/18/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

TY Nibin that was informative, I didnt find that post before, now its on my favs


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roby000 said: thats true a shotgun is almost like a college degree in a sense that if you show it to the right person at the right time you could make a lot of money.


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7773757 - 12/18/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This questions has been discussed about a billion times before and there will always be people who'll say a cubes is a cube, except for three varieties, namely Penis Envy, PF Redspore and Mexican Albino.
These three are different for apparent reasons.
I guess the PE strain is the only one that definitely IS more potent than other strains. Many people say they get different trips from different strains. This might be, though I, personally have never felt ANY difference between certain strains (as said before, except for the PE).
I don't really know about the potency but concerning the Panaeolus species I guess there are differences, for there are quiet a lot of Pans that look almost equal but are a different species, such as Panaeolus cyanescens, Panaeolus tropicalis and Panaeolus cambodginiensis. All of the cubensis strains are the same species, while the Panaeolus varieties aren't, i.e. a Pan isn't a Pan.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about this species thing, concerning the Pans, but that's the way I think it is.

And about the climate... well I guess it has at least something to do with their appearance but if you take a look at the PE strain and compare it to...well, let's say the South American, you have to admit, that the climate in the area they grow in is actually identical.
The problem about that strain thing is (at least concerning their appearance), that you can grow mushrooms of the same strain, from two different cakes, after having used the same syringe (so the same print), and the mushrooms look TOTALLY different from each other.
I've seen Cambodians looking like Koh Samuis and Burmas looking like Pans. In my opinion that's a pity because I surely prefer a distinct look of cubes, over others, though I can never tell which strain will develop into beautiful mushrooms and what won't.

But I'm taking this too far, I guess...

In my opinion a cubes actually IS a cube, while a Pan, not necessarily is Pan!


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: Fahkface]
    #7773785 - 12/18/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you seem to be mistaking climate for temperature. climate has hundreds of factors that are all related to the development of mushrooms. Everything from atmospheric pressure to the substrate that the mushroom inhabits. What i am trying to say is that climates in both those areas are identical (i.e temperature and substrate wise)but at the same time VERY different.

It's taken right out of the mushroom cultivator.

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"From 1898 through to 1910 heroin was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children."

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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7773801 - 12/18/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"Koh Samuis and Burmas looking like Pans" is courtesy of poor air exchange and a lack of humidity which has been discussed on this forum recently.

Sorry if im coming off as a little hostile, but the last thing im trying to do is insult your knowledge. im just trying to inform you of what i have read up in a few well known book.

I TOTALLY agree, a pan is DEFINETLY not always a pan from what I've seen with my own eyes.

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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7773839 - 12/18/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

"Koh Samuis and Burmas looking like Pans" is courtesy of poor air exchange and a lack of humidity which has been discussed on this forum recently.





Don't worry, I won't take your comments the wrong way. A forum is a base to discuss and that's what we're doing, isn't it :wink:

Normally, I'd say you're right, concerning the FAE and the size issue, but in this case, I cultivated them myself, and therefore I know, that I did fan them as often as I did it with all my other grows and never ever something like that happened plus (and that's what makes me believe, it defiantly wasn't the FAE), they appeared to grow the same strange way the second time, I cultivated them, while the mushroom the y came from, looked quiet normal. It might just be genetic defect, but FAE wasn't an issue about it...


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: Fahkface]
    #7773880 - 12/18/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yea thats true... i know what you mean. Sometimes i wonder if different trains produce more CO2 when fruiting then others. I think we might have a new discussion on our hands. :wink:


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7773908 - 12/18/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe some do, though I also had a PESA and a Huautla cake in the same FC and both turned out to look completely normal :crazy:

As I said before, it might have been a genetic defect...


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: Fahkface]
    #7773920 - 12/18/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yea who know :tongue:


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7773953 - 12/18/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i furit out 8 strains inside 1 fc and have never seen a problem from it. they always look the way they are supposed to. I use a constant FAE tho.


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Re: If a Cube is a Cube... Is a Pan a Pan? [Re: P.Menace]
    #7774086 - 12/18/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The a cube is a cube phrase applies to cultivation parameters, basically.

No one is saying that they all look the same, or that strength may vary slightly between strains, but they will all need the same cultivation parameters.


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