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Casing or Caking
    #7772183 - 12/17/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm kind of curious if I should take my 6 colonized brf cakes, crumble them, and turn them into a casing or grow them pf style.

Which would you do and which do you think I'll get more shrooms from?


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: TheravadaDreams]
    #7772195 - 12/17/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well since you're pf tek i would just say finish the cakes and then next grow do something that will be more efficient casing..

go for it though if you want to case..

last time i cased one out of six.. didn't really make that much of a difference with pf tek..


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7772206 - 12/17/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

what you can do is just pile a bunch of wet verm on top of the cake as a mini-casing layer..

what i do is set the top in dry verm after it gets done dunking and then wait like 30 mins for it to dry and stick then spray it down with water.. helps add a little moisture..

plus it's less messy than rolling it because you just set it upside down in the verm and that sticks to the cake..

not really true casing but it helps for pf tek i have noticed..


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7772219 - 12/17/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was kind of thinking about doing a casing, but if casing from pf doesn't really show much difference in the end yield, then why bother right? Anyway, thanks for the replies man.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: TheravadaDreams]
    #7772223 - 12/17/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

good grow good vibes good luck.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: TheravadaDreams]
    #7772248 - 12/17/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If getting "more bang for your buck" is the goal, you may want to try this instead:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/723303#Post723303


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: FooMan]
    #7772280 - 12/17/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'll show better results as far as yield goes this way I assume?

Thanks for the link FooMan, I have everything mentioned, food processor, canning pot, and a horse ranch up the street.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: TheravadaDreams]
    #7773116 - 12/18/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

As soon as Nibin sees this, he will direct you here.

I, however, will advise you to spawn to bulk, as advised by the FooMan, but to be ready to fail.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: thedefone]
    #7773149 - 12/18/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If I do my cakes pf style for the first flush, and then use them to spawn to hpoo, this should work?

That way if I was to contam with bulk, I wouldn't lose my ass entirely.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: TheravadaDreams]
    #7773190 - 12/18/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

iunno to say that is kind of stretching it

sometimes they do great and snap back into networking mode
sometimes they don't
or sometimes pieces do and pieces don't, the ones who don't turn into contam fests

basically what i'm saying is, if you wait til after pinning has been triggered you'll raise the stakes a bit
the colonies first resort is to pin from w/e substrate it has to ensure spores make it out
with the last resort being to start growing again


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: anarchOi]
    #7773210 - 12/18/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I'll fruit 1/2 of my jars pf style and turn the rest into a bulk casing. How many days after birthing my cakes (the pf style on perlite grow) do you think it'll take to get my first flush. I'd kind of like to be tripping on XMas, although I'm wondering how plausible this goal truly is.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: TheravadaDreams]
    #7773226 - 12/18/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don' think you'll have mature fruits by xmas, but should have some for new years :wink:


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: kingboomer]
    #7773254 - 12/18/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I cased some cakes before and fruited that way. it worked pretty good. It is really no different then fruiting as cakes as far as volume goes. you still have the same amount of substrate either way.

if you want more, i would just do a bulk grow next time. keep in mind that a bulk grow can take more time and also has more steps which means more chances of getting contaminated. God knows I screwed up a few in my earlier days. I would try a bulk grow and a pf grow at the same time and if the bulk goes contam, then at least you still have your pf cakes to get you through till next time.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: thedefone]
    #7773800 - 12/18/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

thedefone said:
As soon as Nibin sees this, he will direct you here.

I, however, will advise you to spawn to bulk, as advised by the FooMan, but to be ready to fail.




I couldn't stop laughing when I say that. You are right though.

If you want more yield, spawn to bulk (I used to use cakes to poo all the time as I haven't had a pc for long) but if you can't be bothered or want your shrooms as soon as possible, just dunk and roll.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: TheravadaDreams]
    #7778388 - 12/19/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

TheravadaDreams said:
I'll show better results as far as yield goes this way I assume?





Much better results. bulk substrate = bulk shrooms

You shouldn't be scared of poo. I've had much more problems casing grains than I have with spawning to poo. Make sure the poo is leeched well and make sure the moisture content is good before spawning. You don't even need a casing layer, but it does produce better results.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: FooMan]
    #7778449 - 12/19/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My jars are almost complete man, probably like 2-3 days.
I pasteurized some old dried up horse shit using this
TEK.

I'm going to use my casing trays to spawn to and after the
mycelium has colonized the poo, I'm going to lay a thin casing layer over the top.

My biggest question though is should I put verm under the poo too?


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: TheravadaDreams]
    #7778456 - 12/19/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, bottom layer casing is not recommended.


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Re: Casing or Caking [Re: Nibin]
    #7778465 - 12/19/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

cool, thanks Nibin.


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