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InvisibleAnnapurna1
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poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?...
    #7771811 - 12/17/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

for the purposes of this thread..the word "fascism" refers loosely to the current neoconservative policy agenda...in either case..too many ppl seem to think that fascism at the very least a necessary evil or else that its fun..which is the topic of our poll ..
is fascism necessary?...
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (12/17/07 09:39 PM) to (No end specified)
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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7771859 - 12/17/07 09:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:whatever:


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7772156 - 12/17/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the current administration is not fascist....


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7772257 - 12/17/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

the current administration is not fascist....




"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

In what way is the current administration not totally in bed with corporate America?

We have clearly un-needed wars being waged in oil-rich nations, the militarization of space and resultant contractor jobs, along with millions of illegal aliens for cheap labor flooding over our sieve-like southern border which could never happen without active awareness and involvement on our side.

To be fair, it is not just the Bush admin, it's the federal government as a whole. Corporations OWN you lock, stock and barrel. Every four years they present you with what appears to be a choice.

Pepsi or Coke?

Are you going to drink the product like a good boy or demand something better?


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: zorbman]
    #7772281 - 12/17/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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zorbman said:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini



"Corporatism" is another name for fascism. However, it must be understood that "corporation" in this context does not necessarily mean what we normally understand it to be(although such corporations are not excluded from its definition). In this context, "corporation" means any unelected body with an internal hierarchy which seeks to exercise control over its respective area of influence. Corporatism is essentially a form of syndicalism which seeks to recreate the feudal system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7772461 - 12/18/07 12:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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SlashOZ said:
the current administration is not fascist....




it more than passes the walks-like-a-duck-talks-like-a-duck test..even if it might not qualify as "fascism" in some rediculous academic sense of the word...


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7773107 - 12/18/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

take a history class and study fascism. we aren't even close. what was the last sector of the economy that bush nationalized? we don't have a totalitarian dictator in power do we because unless i'm incredibly mistaken bush won't be in power in a little more than a year. we still have a congress functioning. i was in school public school for the first 5 years of bush's term and we most certainly did not have any lessons on how bush is the greatest person on earth and he should never be questioned. if anything it was the opposite. this is like saying that hillary cliton is a communist just like mao.


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7773313 - 12/18/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the administration has the same powers of a fascist state..whether or not you choose to call it that...and is no less so merely because king george will soon be replaced by an even more radical despot...


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Edited by Annapurna1 (12/18/07 10:56 AM)


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7773482 - 12/18/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They weren't able to stop the Supreme Court from ruling certain parts of the Patriot Act unconstitutional. What kind of excuse excuse for a fascist state is that?


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Silversoul]
    #7773504 - 12/18/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Silversoul said:
They weren't able to stop the Supreme Court from ruling certain parts of the Patriot Act unconstitutional. What kind of excuse excuse for a fascist state is that?




or from stopping the supreme court from rejecting the military commissions act without congress approval...although they eventually did approve it the assholes.


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Silversoul]
    #7773505 - 12/18/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

pls cite the case where SCOTUS has overturned parts of the PATRIOT act..as far as i know..lower federal courts have done so..but it has not yet reached the SCOTUS...

OTOH..the SCOTUS did attempt to overrule king georges' executive detention policy in the rasul and hamdan..after which our "functioning congress" quickly overruled the SCOTUS with the DTA and the MCA..respectively...and since then..KG and his congressional lackeys have put sam alito on the SCOTUS..effectively making it into a 5:4 rubber-stamp crew...

the MCA gives the executive branch the power to snatch your ass off the streets and hold it under torture for the rest of your life without a trial or a lawyer...IMNSHO..that alone constitutes a fascist state..and its only the tip of the iceberg...


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7773509 - 12/18/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Supreme courts, lower courts...whatever. No self-respecting fascist regime would let the courts get away with something like that.


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Silversoul]
    #7774266 - 12/18/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

of course not..which is why they have the gang of five...


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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Silversoul]
    #7774406 - 12/18/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Silversoul said:
They weren't able to stop the Supreme Court from ruling certain parts of the Patriot Act unconstitutional. What kind of excuse excuse for a fascist state is that?






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Re: poll ..is "fascism" really necessary..and if so..why?... [Re: Syle]
    #7776991 - 12/19/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i would almost bet the farm that the "free-est county in the world" respondents voted "fascism is fun" in the poll...

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They weren't able to stop the Supreme Court from ruling certain parts of the Patriot Act unconstitutional. What kind of excuse excuse for a fascist state is that?




the answer to that question is simply any fascist state that arrogates the power to reverse the courts' decision...the US constitution already grants the POTUS the power to effectively reverse a conviction via pardon (scooter libby).. and the MCA allows the executive branch to reverse an acquittal simply by declaring the acquitted to be an "enemy combatant"...


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