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InvisibleChronic7
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Universe or multi?
    #7770344 - 12/17/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

OK a thousand years from now this kind of thinking could be considered poppycock (where the hell did poppycock come from!?) but i at the moment could believe 2 things,

1. there is one universe hence the UNI, which all came from all energy compressed into something million million etc times smaller than a pinhead, that is all there is, then this rapidly exploded and expanded at a huge speed and created the universe, which is full of stars that explode and give life to planets which orbit round the stars and have moons to control certain elemental aspects of the planets. One day the universe will retract and life will start all over again.

2.
The universe is as it is and will be what it is forever, it is not expanding, more like on an infinity loop, there is no end or beginning as it is all there is, the only reason we see it as expanding is because we are looking from a reference point.

Those are the two things my intelligence and spirit feel cold be possible, i feel more comfortable with the second.

Ive red a couple Stephen hawking books and i dot get all this stuff about string theory's and branes relating to universes.

Science seemed to always back up ancient Buddhists beliefs like at one time we were all one and then the universe expanded and we are still one connected. I still prefer the infinity loop theory.

Whats the latest on all this?

At the end of the day we just label things like atoms and nucleus electrons etc, but its just a name for something that we've given because we don't know what it is, just what it does, a force of energy.

Anyway i feel mad confused right now can anyone shed some clear light onto me?

thanks!


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InvisibleChronic7
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Re: UNIverse or multi? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7770354 - 12/17/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Can sumone move this to philisophy & spirituality if its better suited there please. This seems to be full of technology, NANO!!!ARGH!!!!


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Re: UNIverse or multi? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7771627 - 12/17/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've never really thought about this, and to be honest, I don't really care. I think it's pretty irrelevant as to whether the universe is expanding, fixed, or if there is more than one. Honestly, if a truth was found out about the universe, would it really change anybody's life at this point in time?


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InvisibleDiglottic_Sun
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Re: UNIverse or multi? [Re: Boots]
    #7773030 - 12/18/07 08:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the latest scientific hoopla lies more within your first example. the cyclical model of the universe is current lore on the existence of our universe, how it acts within a third dimension, and that it is on a constant "bang" out and "collapse" back in stage of life.

but your second possibility lies closer of an infinite sense. for infinity to exist, it must be greater than it was a moment ago. yet if this were true, than infinity would not be infinity, but rather a finite number strictly increasing. for infinity to exist in this sense, both the universe would need to constantly be growing, or there would have to be infinite universes in the third dimension growing infinitely with each other (this could be viewed as atoms within our given realm). this means that for infinity to exist, there has to be infinite things infinitely counting to infinity. but even this has holes. this is strictly infinity again, meaning that it is still finite at any given time. the only way around this is what you suggest, the universe is not growing but is and will be infinity.

i, however, feel that the universe is expanding in a series of cycles, like the cyclic model of the universe. it seems to me (this is my spiritual journey) that things in life seem to separate over time. this may be in the form of relationships, cities, animals, fungal plants; the point here is that life is moving apart. but life is only a byproduct of a collapsed universe after it "banged" back out, meaning that life would have to mimic the same structure of the universe in accord with how the universe develops.

either way, live and let live. its best to find these answers by changing your mind set multiple times and thinking on them.


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Re: Universe or multi? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7773050 - 12/18/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

...i am a tiny universe containing trillions of other tiny universes, those other tiny universes contain...

:hypno:


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Re: Universe or multi? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7773120 - 12/18/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

poppycock is a type of popcorn. its pretty yummy.

but i do not object to the possibility of there being parallel dimensions. i think anything is possible and that this world has a LOT of interesting coincidences/occurences that could possibly lead to the theory.

i hate stephen hawking though.
ever since we watched a video on him in astronomy class and i was super baked..


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InvisibleChronic7
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Re: UNIverse or multi? [Re: Boots]
    #7773141 - 12/18/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Boots said:
I've never really thought about this, and to be honest, I don't really care. I think it's pretty irrelevant as to whether the universe is expanding, fixed, or if there is more than one. Honestly, if a truth was found out about the universe, would it really change anybody's life at this point in time?




Some people find it interesting other people dont, the future of the human race depends on space travel, if you dont care about that then fine but i care about the survival of the human race and our future.

Lately the universal thoughts have been dominating my thoughts, it makes you see the bigegr picture and appreciate how special our planet and conciousness is.

I was watching a shwo called the universe on the history channel last night and it showed all current scientific knowledge on the universe condensed into an hour, the centre of all galaxys seems ot hvae black holes that once were supermassive stars which exlploded giving life then creating a black hole which appears to destroy the same life it created, kind of poetic i think, life and death epitomised, is quite simply beautiful when when you looks it as forces of gravity and dark matter/energy being opposites of each other, all matter attracts through gravity and all dark matter pushes us away with dark energy.

The one thing i dont get is how they can be sure there was an explosion AKA big bang, they said from an reference point in the universe everythings moving awya form you so you cant find the true centre of the universe, but then if you cantlocate where the big bang started then maybe it didnt happen and we're all just expanding due to dark energy/matter?


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Re: UNIverse or multi? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7773170 - 12/18/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

stephen hawking figured out his own paradox. i read michio kakus book called parallel worlds,and he says the multiverse started as one and is expanding budding new universes as it grows spliting off and creating new planets and stars.and that are orbit dosent rely on attraction that space has a unseen track in the dark mater witch is the path we follow on orbit. like an ant walking on a piece of crumbled paper it will have trouble walking straight because of the terrain like the palnets only orbit the way they do in


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InvisibleDiglottic_Sun
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Re: UNIverse or multi? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7773186 - 12/18/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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chronic777 said:

but then if you cantlocate where the big bang started then maybe it didnt happen and we're all just expanding due to dark energy/matter?





if you go under science and technology, i posted 'dark matter and its fallacies'

im skeptical on dark matter itself. possibly, gravity needs to be redefined to incorporate how we believe dark matter acts within its own ramifications.

but i too have found myself swarmed by universal thoughts recently. its stellar for sure.


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Re: UNIverse or multi? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7776565 - 12/19/07 06:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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chronic777 said:
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Boots said:
I've never really thought about this, and to be honest, I don't really care. I think it's pretty irrelevant as to whether the universe is expanding, fixed, or if there is more than one. Honestly, if a truth was found out about the universe, would it really change anybody's life at this point in time?




Some people find it interesting other people dont, the future of the human race depends on space travel, if you dont care about that then fine but i care about the survival of the human race and our future.





Well, in all sincerity, I don't care about the survival of the human race. I figure I'll die before the human race dies off and if I don't (let's say the world will end in 2012), then it's too late for me to attempt to prolong it anyway.


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InvisibleChronic7
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Re: UNIverse or multi? [Re: Boots]
    #7776760 - 12/19/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think its all infinitrly big human brains cant comprehend it, i understand stars/galaxies/black holes its just a process of life/death and elements/forces creating and destorying but just cant get my head round the universal outlook, i get we are all one living thing, and were at time completely ONE together compressed into a TINY size.

It would just be cool to know what that one living thing has expanded into, i suppose its just everything and if we had the all the answers what would be there to strive for. Ifits truly infinity we can never ever have the answer because we will just keep expanding, im not so sure about the retraction theory cause i think we are just expanding and expanding, and will keep doing so forever and ever and even if the universe does retract/collapse it will only be the expand yet again.

I personally see how people can just ignore and say well how does it affect our lives and jst go about theyre daily life, but in every way you could imagine it affects our lives, essentially each one of us individually AND collectively make up the universe, how could you not give a shit? I can see how you can but dont know why?

I suppose life is a cycle of 2 sides good/bad life/death love/fear ying/yang etc....I just feel sometimes like there must be a force controlling all these meteors and stars and planets that collide trying to make life.

One thing is for sure our planet is very special as so mnay different factors come into play for complex life to exist here, the size of our planet, the distance from the sun, our moon, jupiter wwho's gravitational pull keeps us from contant bombardment of comets and meteors.

When you look at other planets its like they were trying to accomplish the same thing as they have the same sort of elements, i now wonder is that all there is elements, forces and light trying to create life everywhere in the universe, is there a god that is observing this, or are we the gods observing it as everyone is god as everyone is one?

So many questions!!!


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