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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: daytripper23]
    #7778666 - 12/19/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've already pointed that out, I feel that it isn't necessary to do this again.
I suggest that you re-read the last two or three pages of the thread and you will find the answer to your question.
I have no interest in prolonging this particular discussion any further as it doesn't have a point anymore.
Now, if you excuse me :bongload:


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7778690 - 12/19/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Skyycorr.
i understand what you are saying and dattripper too.


To skycorr.

I notice that you think that saying thank you for the animals for their sacrifice feels good and i cannot say it is not.

But do you honestly think that they have sacrificed anything?

And would you accept someones thank you who is responsible, in a collective sense, for having your head into water that is beyond 300 degrees?

Especially knowing that eating you, was not nessecary to the point where it was either eat or die.


Day tripper, someone did mention that they thought it was ok to eat animals, because of the shape of their teeth. This is something natural and it was used to justify it was ok to eat meat.

I didnt mean justify in the worldly sense, but rather in the delibaritve sense. Whereas, when you are choosing between two or more things, you follow base values, such as not wanting to bring pain to others, and balance out other variables such as having teeth that seem to reflect that eat meating is natural, making it ok to bring pain to another animal.


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And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7778796 - 12/19/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

LOL, OK I'm sorry but I just stumbled on this post..... and i have to say.
COMMON guys and girls, I mean... If you don't want to eat meat then thats fine. but it's not a question of it being right or wrong.

lol, If we don't.... then all the other predators out there will get all the good food :mad:

Really A better question would be "Are humans actually omnivores?"

And the fact IS that tooth structure has a lot to do with what you have evolved to eat. In this case (in regards to humans) we have evolved to eat a VERY wide variety of things... yes, including meat but also A LOT of other stuff. we have it good, you want a salad? well you have teeth for that. you want steak? thats great, you have teeth for that too. 

Anyway I just wanted to drop a line in this thread because it just seemed funny.


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7778836 - 12/19/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If someone said it was ok to eat meat, I would agree.

If someone said you have a right to eat meat, or conversely, you dont have a right to eat meat, it would be a different thing.

Ok is permissive right? it could apply to god, or justice, as in it is ok deemed by these systems. Or it could apply to which precedes this, nature.

Nature has its own set of consequences, that we must act in accordance to. "OK" in this sense, would be in permission of the forces of nature which compel us to act a certain way. Nature is necessarily something we are subject to, unlike unreliable concepts of justice and god.

Basically Im talking about real consequences. Real things like cancer, and toxic build up, which the vegetarians in this thread have made a pretty decent case for. These are real consequences which compel us to act a certain way. Basically the only thing OK necessarily applies to, is our relationship with nature. Our over all well being.

But the omnivores, on the other hand are arguably ok as well. Say what these vegetarians say is true, and we get an extra 10 years to our lives or something if we don't eat meat. whether this is proven or not, meat is not so detrimental to ones health that it makes us something i would consider not ok, in this sense.


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Funkatron9000]
    #7778894 - 12/19/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Really A better question would be "Are humans actually omnivores?"




Good. :thumbup:

Hmmm, well I guess that we ARE. We are because of the overwhelming number of people which... are omnivores. :lol:
Now, you can't really fight with reality. :shrug:
Your question is a good one, but I don't really think that it's totally righteous. Or to be more exact, a yes or no answer would not be entirely satisfying, because it would imply a pre-set design.
And then one would ask well but who's the designer :lol:
If it is to be any designer, then it is ourselves. We design ourselves according to our needs and preferences (which might as well change, and which life has proved as changing).
So we really are omnivores in the measure that we choose to be.
A good evidence of the fact that our teeth adapt to our needs and not the other way around is the fact that our dental structure shows signs of changing.
Our jaws are getting smaller because we don't do as much chewing as we did in the past so in more and more cases the wisdom tooth practically has not much room to grow anymore.


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7779605 - 12/19/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Considering that our nearest relatives are the great apes and not only are they omnivores, but also sometimes cannibals, I think we're in the clear diet wise. If you want to stay natural, eat raw meats. More nutrition, and supposedly much better for digestion.


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7779686 - 12/19/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Now, you can't really fight with reality.




Unless you are a fundamentalist. :yesnod:


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7779704 - 12/19/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ohhh they don't fight reality either, they just ignore it :stoned:


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7779724 - 12/19/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Death to the infidel!



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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7779731 - 12/19/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes i think it's good to eat other animals

i particularly enjoy beef, from cattle that have been killed in a slaughterhouse.


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: igwna]
    #7779751 - 12/19/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i don't agree with the amount of pain they are made to withstand

I dunno about this. My ex used to eat me all the time and it didn't hurt a bit. :razz:


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7779758 - 12/19/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There is nothing wrong with Soylent Pink. :nono:


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7780730 - 12/20/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Frock AND Shrooming: Have you even watched the videos? Do you see the amount of pain and suffering caused on these animals?

Do you know that you are responsible for this, 100% and without you this process would look more like the last video.

You come here with your views, but you do not even read the posts or go through the main posts.

I was not saying meat is bad to eat, im not touchy, i just cant put a pigs head in scolding 400 degrees water, just so i can get cheap meat. YOu Either can, which i sincerily doubt or you didnt watch the videos. I just dont see how you wouldnt be able to see putting a thing that feels pain just like us, through that and not call it cruel.

On top of that it is unnessecary, organic farms do not treat the animals any where near as horrible as the slaughter houses. Its much healthier as well.

No one is up tight, loose, everyone does what they think is best.

And NO you do not NEED to eat meat to survive. In actuality, eating meat WILL cut your life short, especially eating meat that is grown in those farms.

I guesse that i just dont see how we differ in feeling pain, the animals and us. Scolind hot water, broken legs and feet all feel horrible no matter your genetic make up.

I sincerly doubt you would do that to an animal so OFTEN, to eat meat, when you only really have to eat it about once every two weeks.

Since ive been a vegetarian, i havent gotten sick either, i just eat some beautiful organic chicken or wild fish every two weeks and i a feel great.

I suggest you ask yourself if you would be able to do what you did to the pigs in the first video and realize that the other animals are treated no differently, asking if you could take them from their mothers, isolate them in a cage where they cannot move or interact with other mammals, then put them face first in scolding hot water, watching them squirm then slicing them up and eating it....

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And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7780737 - 12/20/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Each animal has exactly one death and death is rarely without suffering.


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7780795 - 12/20/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Every animal has one death, true. YOu do to.

Would you rather die with people who you have loved all your life, around you in comfortable setting, or with your face in scolding hot water?


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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7780884 - 12/20/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Our early ancestors were vegetarian




Bullshit. That is why so many spear points and arrow heads have been found from neolithic times. Our ancient ancestors(homosapiens)were omnivore hunter/gatherers. I guess lions, tigers, and bears also had vegan ancestors?




So monkeys in the trees used arrowheads. (I stated these were our early ancestors I was referring to or have you become a creationist) This is one of your best statements ever. Old age is getting to you early.:monkeydance:


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7780890 - 12/20/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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JoseLibrado said:
Using how the past collective human action was, to assume something to be correct, implies that you have no freedom to choose what the truth is. Because you measure how a thing should be done, by looking at what our ascestors figured it should be done.

An open question would be: Do you think then, under the logic that our anscestors ate meat, so we should eat meat, then if our anscestors murdered in the name of what they called GOD, we should do it too?

This belief that our teeth are somehow made for meat eating, and that our anscestors ate meat, seems like a final attempt to justify that it is ok to eat meat. And this is fine, i accept that you are making the best decision, likewise, but do you see that justifying something, by means of looking into the past, is denying your own capacity to make a decision, as a creator of reality?:heart:




Good points.


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7780917 - 12/20/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Each animal has exactly one death and death is rarely without suffering.




So your logical and reasonable position is that veal experiences the same about of suffering by being put in a pen were they cannot turn around or walk or have interaction with their own kind or have a change of scenery and do something active for their whole life and they must shit where they stand and they they are yanked off to the killing floor is pretty much the same as the momentary experience of being brought down in the wild by a predator.

Sure I can see that.:thumbup:


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Icelander]
    #7781072 - 12/20/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Each animal has exactly one death and death is rarely without suffering.




So your logical and reasonable position is that veal experiences the same about of suffering by being put in a pen were they cannot turn around or walk or have interaction with their own kind or have a change of scenery and do something active for their whole life and they must shit where they stand and they they are yanked off to the killing floor is pretty much the same as the momentary experience of being brought down in the wild by a predator.

Sure I can see that.:thumbup:




Huh? My statement was complete and standalone. The rest was stuff you just made up. I expect better from you.


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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7781087 - 12/20/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I expect better from you.

Gee mommy, I don't from you.


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