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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Veritas]
#7778402 - 12/19/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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All i can say is i hope everyone can practice what they preach.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778408 - 12/19/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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However, I don't see the problem in surviving through meat eating. I should not be labeled a murderer just because I am an omnivore.
There's a HUGE difference between the fact the you personally don't consider that eating meat is a bad thing and stating that we are SUPPOSED to eat meat. In the first case you admit that eating meat belongs to personal choice and that others are free to make their own choice, whatever that might be. In the second case you make THIS logical fallacy.
I think this is a misinterpretation of what he said
What he seems to be saying here, is do not impose your ideas of right and wrong upon my way of living. He isnt necessarily implying that he is good, only that he does not want to be labled as bad.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778412 - 12/19/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would you prefer he make an illogical fallacy?
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778413 - 12/19/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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However, I don't see the problem in surviving through meat eating. I should not be labeled a murderer just because I am an omnivore.
There's a HUGE difference between the fact the you personally don't consider that eating meat is a bad thing and stating that we are SUPPOSED to eat meat. In the first case you admit that eating meat belongs to personal choice and that others are free to make their own choice, whatever that might be. In the second case you make THIS logical fallacy.
i never said the only right way to survive was to eat meat. thats just my choice.
its just my choice to follow the way thats always been, i like it more and feel that being thankful (and using to the best of its potential) to an animal for what has provided you does justify its death.
thats my way.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: daytripper23]
#7778419 - 12/19/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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daytripper23 said:
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MushroomTrip said:
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However, I don't see the problem in surviving through meat eating. I should not be labeled a murderer just because I am an omnivore.
There's a HUGE difference between the fact the you personally don't consider that eating meat is a bad thing and stating that we are SUPPOSED to eat meat. In the first case you admit that eating meat belongs to personal choice and that others are free to make their own choice, whatever that might be. In the second case you make THIS logical fallacy.
I think this is a misinterpretation of what he said
What he seems to be saying here, is do not impose your ideas of right and wrong upon my way of living. He isnt necessarily implying that he is good, only that he does not want to be labled as bad.
beyond good and evil...Natural
this sounds about right.. thank you daytripper for helping me to find the words i have misplaced.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7778427 - 12/19/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Would you prefer he make an illogical fallacy?
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: daytripper23]
#7778437 - 12/19/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think this is a misinterpretation of what he said
What he seems to be saying here, is do not impose your ideas of right and wrong upon my way of living. He isnt necessarily implying that he is good, only that he does not want to be labled as bad.
beyond good and evil...Natural
Yeah, did you get to follow that link? Incidentally it is called "Appeal to nature" Let's copy and paste a little shall we?
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Appeal to nature is a commonly seen logical fallacy consisting of a claim that something is good or right because it is natural, or that something is bad or wrong because it is unnatural. In this type of fallacy nature is often implied as an ideal or desired state of being, a state of how things were, should be, or are: in this sense an appeal to nature may resemble an appeal to tradition.
Hmmm
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778442 - 12/19/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And what I am saying, is he didnt say that he was good or right.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778450 - 12/19/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And since you bring it up, are you implying that you are good or justified?
Im a vegetarian, but I dont take these attitudes.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778453 - 12/19/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't think i like this anymore. i'm getting ganged up on because i like to eat meat 
i already said i don't agree with the amount of pain they are made to withstand and we should be thankful to the animals for the nourishment they supply. (feeling i really do... feel!)
so you know my standing, theres no hidden meaning behind it saying "THE OLD WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY" or "YOU SHOULDN'T NOT EAT MEAT."
I just don't see why it should be considered evil. Animals do it and so did we on instinct. i don't/wouldn't express anger towards an animal as i ate/killed it.
i apologizing for liking meat..
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: daytripper23]
#7778463 - 12/19/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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He said that this is how it's meant to be. Now, if I'm not mistaking, "meant" (in that given context) implies a certain degree of appreciation which has good-bad right-wrong scale.  i.e.: "Humans are meant to live in peace" = the right way to live is in peace.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778471 - 12/19/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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though i never objected to people being vegetarians.
poor choice of words. sorry.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: igwna]
#7778484 - 12/19/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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skcorrelyt said: i don't think i like this anymore. i'm getting ganged up on because i like to eat meat 
i already said i don't agree with the amount of pain they are made to withstand and we should be thankful to the animals for the nourishment they supply. (feeling i really do... feel!)
so you know my standing, theres no hidden meaning behind it saying "THE OLD WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY" or "YOU SHOULDN'T NOT EAT MEAT."
I just don't see why it should be considered evil. Animals do it and so did we on instinct. i don't/wouldn't express anger towards an animal as i ate/killed it.
i apologizing for liking meat..
I don't know what you mean by getting ganged?  I am not picking up on you, I am just pointing out towards a mistake that you made in expressing yourself. Which could be interpreted in the way that I showed earlier.
To both you and daytripper: I think it's important to point out these errors and set them straight if we want to have a precise and clear discussion. After all, this is one of the purposes of philosophy.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778488 - 12/19/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see it as we are meant to live naturally, vs. unnaturally.
You dont necessarily have to see it as right vs wrong, or good vs. evil. Actually this is where many of the worlds problems arise.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: daytripper23]
#7778515 - 12/19/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And I never stated that right-wrong is more righteous than natural-unnatural (even though I must admit that I don't really agree with this kind of labeling either). I merely emphasized that what he did was a fallacy and that perhaps it's better if we avoided these kinds of confusions on the future. In a place where we use only words as means of expressing ourselves, it's imperative to try to become as accurate as possible in maneuvering those.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778544 - 12/19/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Appeal to nature is a commonly seen logical fallacy consisting of a claim that something is good or right because it is natural, or that something is bad or wrong because it is unnatural.
And yet again, Ill mention that nobody claimed they were good or right in this instance. What is considered natural precedes these kinds of notions..
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: daytripper23]
#7778554 - 12/19/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And I already said:
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He said that this is how it's meant to be. Now, if I'm not mistaking, "meant" (in that given context) implies a certain degree of appreciation which has good-bad right-wrong scale.  i.e.: "Humans are meant to live in peace" = the right way to live is in peace.
And then I also said:
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I think it's important to point out these errors and set them straight if we want to have a precise and clear discussion. After all, this is one of the purposes of philosophy.
So, all that being said, where do you wanna take this?
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778586 - 12/19/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now, if I'm not mistaking, "meant" (in that given context) implies a certain degree of appreciation which has good-bad right-wrong scale. 
Your mistaken. This is not necessarily the case. And if you look up a few posts, I said that my understanding of what we are meant to do on earth, is to live naturally.
I already posted this too...
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: daytripper23]
#7778614 - 12/19/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmmm ok, one more shot: It is natural to make errors in expressing oneself, but I don't see anything wrong with correcting those errors by pointing towards them.  This is exactly what happened in this case. Now, can we get over it?
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7778627 - 12/19/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So where is this supposed error in expression?
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