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Do you think it is good to eat other animals?
#7768526 - 12/17/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hello fellows.
Alot of people know that animals are treated quite badly when they are being slaughtered for eating. And some do not.
If you do not eat Organic Free-run meats. You will want to take a look at this video from you tube showing the methods that they use to grow the animals for meat. To grow things that feel pain like me and you.
If you do not eat organic chiken, pigs and beef, you are putting your health at a serious disadvantage, in these videos you will be given reasons why, but also shows the way the meat you eat, is raised.
I also acknowledge that good and bad, only exist in the persons mind to choose. I have not come here and tried to scare anyone, i am not here to scream you are evil if you eat meat.
I DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT MAKES YOU DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL KEEP EATING INORGANIC MEAT, AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEOS.
I came here to show you to know that you have been kept in the dark, about what has been happening...they simply have and cannot show people how they do this to the animals because they would loose millions in profits.
Observe that you play the most important part in the process, because without people like me(just today i stopped and you to buy the meat from the people who own these factorie farms, there would be no profits and no reason to do this.
I know some people do not care about the animals, in the way they would care about a human and if you dont, be true and watch the videos, see how you feel after watching them and prove it. I know many who have said they dont care, but after watching one of them, they realized that they did care, they just didnt know specifically what they didnt care for.
All videos are no longer than 2-3 mins. If at all, and there is a prime example of an organic farm for the final video.
Pigs Warehouse Farms
Organic Farm Animals.
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This video is a short clip showing how some of the pigs that you eat after, are killed. &feature=related
This is the conditions they spend 3-5 years alive.
&feature=related
Chicken Warehouse Farms. &feature=related
Cow Warehouse Farms
&feature=related
The dairy cows are exactly the same!
There is hope!!!!!

Those happy pictures of animals, are from real farms who are loosing popularity and money to stay practicing these types of practices!
Organic Animal farming!
I wish you all peace. Thank you for letting me share!
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7768548 - 12/17/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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All meat is organic. 
Is the lion nice to the zebra or does the zebra bray and flail as it is eaten alive?
This food chain with all of its blood, pain, and gore is the way that the all-loving, all-merciful God designed it.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7768564 - 12/17/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alrite, kool.
You can compare yourself to a lion. I dont. Which is why i posted it here.
Lions probally cannot sympathize very well and they probally cannot connect their type of sentient existence to the zebra, as well as we do.
This is common, many people try and justify the way they act by looking at nature.
Though it always strikes me inconsistent, if you can consider that we have the capacity to view and analyze our nature.
Maybe our nature has evovled, and not we are of the nature, to create our own nature.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7768613 - 12/17/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good thread man. I don't have the heart to watch those videos right now ('I don't have to the heart to...' is a funny expression), but I am a vegetarian. I went back-and-forth for about two years, and am now firmly set. It's not a choice that I think is morally superior per se, but it's about building a compassionate personal ethic one step at a time. I still use too much water, too much electricity, too many products which I don't need (generating waste), but I see vegetarianism as a step in the right direction (for me), and also I feel it has substantially helped my health.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Lion]
#7768634 - 12/17/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have tried before to be vegetarian, but I never seem to get very far with it. When I do buy meat, I try to go for fish and free-range chicken. I've recently started buying organic milk, mainly because I've heard of how bovine growth hormone often causes pus to get into the milk. Maybe someday I'll kick the meat habit for good, but in the meantime, I try to compensate as much as I can.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7768686 - 12/17/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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JoseLibrado said: hello fellows.
Alot of people know that animals are treated quite badly when they are being slaughtered for eating. And some do not.
If you do not eat Organic Free-run meats. You will want to take a look at this video from you tube showing the methods that they use to grow the animals for meat. To grow things that feel pain like me and you.
If you do not eat organic chiken, pigs and beef, you are putting your health at a serious disadvantage, in these videos you will be given reasons why, but also shows the way the meat you eat, is raised.
I also acknowledge that good and bad, only exist in the persons mind to choose. I have not come here and tried to scare anyone, i am not here to scream you are evil if you eat meat.
I DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT MAKES YOU DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL KEEP EATING INORGANIC MEAT, AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEOS.
I came here to show you to know that you have been kept in the dark, about what has been happening...they simply have and cannot show people how they do this to the animals because they would loose millions in profits.
Observe that you play the most important part in the process, because without people like me(just today i stopped and you to buy the meat from the people who own these factorie farms, there would be no profits and no reason to do this.
I know some people do not care about the animals, in the way they would care about a human and if you dont, be true and watch the videos, see how you feel after watching them and prove it. I know many who have said they dont care, but after watching one of them, they realized that they did care, they just didnt know specifically what they didnt care for.
All videos are no longer than 2-3 mins. If at all, and there is a prime example of an organic farm for the final video.
Pigs Warehouse Farms
Organic Farm Animals.
[/image]
This video is a short clip showing how some of the pigs that you eat after, are killed. &feature=related
This is the conditions they spend 3-5 years alive.
&feature=related
Chicken Warehouse Farms. &feature=related
Cow Warehouse Farms
&feature=related
The dairy cows are exactly the same!
There is hope!!!!!

Those happy pictures of animals, are from real farms who are loosing popularity and money to stay practicing these types of practices!
Organic Animal farming!
I wish you all peace. Thank you for letting me share!
I already know all this as I have done extensive research into it. I appreciate your posting this volatile subject. Fucking with peoples food is fucking with their sacred beliefs about life, religion and survival.
I ate organic and free range food for some years before I gave up meat and dairy completely as a personal experiment on health issues and a commitment to a detox program that is almost at the end of it's first year.
Don't forget that dairy animals are often treated worse then food animals and they have to endure it for much longer. I myself have visited a dairy farm and saw it all for myself. Becoming the person I would like myself to be I just won't do this shit anymore unless it was truly a survival issue.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Icelander]
#7768715 - 12/17/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander, i never intended to fuck with anyone, although i did, if fuck meant, show them what it takes to put meat on their plate.
I do acknowledge that the advent of experiencing who we are, is a wonderful experience.
It is easy to pull the plug on experiencing who you are not, but this out right denies the mutual arisal of who you are not, with the advent of who you are.
I find it hard to keep this duality, in prespective, as it is easy for me to go back to the 'good vs. evil' or who i am not, prespective lol.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7768964 - 12/17/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i never intended to fuck with anyone,
I never thought you did. That's the Icelander's job.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7769101 - 12/17/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said:All meat is organic. 
Until we were poisoned to become sick and ill by steroids, stress hormones, antibiotics, plastic and whatever unknown shit from 'hyper-cultivation'. And the way 'they' treat the animals is a picture what is to come to human industrial 'slaves' as well. I try to look for natural 'grown' food - as natural as possible. The rising prices, and/or the raising effort to get this, represents its rising value.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7769787 - 12/17/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry people, but there is no inorganic meat.
or·gan·ic Pronunciation[awr-gan-ik]
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1. noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.
2. characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7769823 - 12/17/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You forgot the third definition:
3. Food that is certified as having met the production standards of the National Organic Program(NOP).
Sorry to pop your semantic bubble.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7770152 - 12/17/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Sorry people, but there is no inorganic meat.
or·gan·ic Pronunciation[awr-gan-ik]
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1. noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.
2. characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms
We're talking about feeding the animals with organically grown food. I'm surprised you don't realize that.
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Edited by Icelander (12/17/07 03:41 PM)
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Silversoul]
#7770184 - 12/17/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Silversoul: +1 points.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Icelander]
#7770198 - 12/17/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am surprised that you are surprised. A true warrior is never caught off guard.
Er, I mean I am not at all surprised - yeah, that's what I meant...
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7770287 - 12/17/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I take responsibility for my actions. In doing so I weigh the moral issues against my own needs and I usually win out. I prefer free range meat, but in the area I live this is limited, so I utilize protein sources from more "commercial" sources as well. Vegan lifestyles can be a healthy alternative, but animal protein is important to the health goals that I have set and I will continue to utilize them.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7770671 - 12/17/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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animal protein is important to the health goals that I have set
Now there's a debate I think I could win.
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Icelander]
#7770742 - 12/17/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do not think that you could. Without consuming meat or dairy there is no good way to reach 2 grams of protein for kilogram of body weight while staying under 2400 calories a day with all of the required nutrients. With soy it is possible, but soy (particularly fermented soy) is not all that healthy in large quantities. You could argue with your stack of books, but my stack is just as high. In the end it would get nowhere.
Note: I said that animal protein is important to MY health goals. Your health goals are not mine.
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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (12/17/07 06:13 PM)
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7771056 - 12/17/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dunno man that sound like bullshit to me 
many of my relatives are vegetarian and seem healthy to me
my aunt and uncle and their 3 kids are all bahai vegans and are very healthy
i planted trees with two of my vegan cousins for a season and they seemed to do better than me despite no animal protein... that is back breaking physical labor
you can be fine without animal protein and stay under 2400 calories
my mom is a vegetarian and when she was pregnant with me there were no soy products, i was born perfectly healthy
i myself do eat meat (fish and wild meat) but i see it as a luxury i can enjoy that is not necessary
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Re: Do you think it is good to eat other animals? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7771083 - 12/17/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are assuming that it is necessary AND beneficial to consume so much protein each day. The research simply does not support this assertion. Americans eat wayyyy too much protein, almost all from animal sources, and it is not benefiting their health whatsoever.
It's OK if you still want to eat meat, but don't defend it as a choice that is supporting your health. Plant-based protein is very low in calories, high in fiber, and present in quantities that are more in balance with our actual macronutrient requirements. Excessive protein consumption is damaging to the kidneys, and animal protein is very high in calories compared to plant protein.
Vegetarians are healthier, longer-lived & better-balanced hormonally. All the so-called benefits of animal protein can be derived from plant proteins, but without the saturated fat and uric acid.
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Notice I did say that one could stay healthy with a vegan lifestyle. I never disputed that. I also referenced MY health goals which extend beyond just maintaining a healthy diet.
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