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Global Warming - Your views
#7768485 - 12/17/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What do you think global warming is?
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Ego Death
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
#7768490 - 12/17/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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After you make you decision, please watch this.
I wonder if it changes any opinions?
http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=17727
I'm gonna stand in the middle because I don't really have enough knowledge to make a decision on what this is all about.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
#7768504 - 12/17/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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where's the vote for a natural phenomenon occurring on every planet in the solar system?
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
#7768509 - 12/17/07 08:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A natural occurance contributed to by man, which is a natural occurance.
In other words: it's all good.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7768510 - 12/17/07 08:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a climate shift, I don't see one degree in 150 years to be that much to worry about. And if you are really worried, put some ice in a glass and watch it melt, there will be no devestating flooding or tidal waves.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Frosty_Storm]
#7768527 - 12/17/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't worry about Global Warming. War will destroy humanity before it can have any adverse effects.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7768540 - 12/17/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: where's the vote for a natural phenomenon occurring on every planet in the solar system?
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7768551 - 12/17/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: where's the vote for a natural phenomenon occurring on every planet in the solar system?
Minus hundreds of thousands of ecosystems, with trillions of life-forms depending on a delicate balance.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: laten]
#7768629 - 12/17/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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the globe has warmed and cooled many times throughout its history, yet this delicate balance still exists...it is getting close to time for another ice age...and warming trends happen before ice ages...it has been studied by taking core drillings of the polar ice caps...nothing to worry about as there is nothing that we can do. Are we helping it warm faster, I think not, we are such a pretentious race to think we could actually have that harsh of an effect on the earth. If need be, she will destroy us to maintain her life...
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
#7768654 - 12/17/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ego Death said: After you make you decision, please watch this.
I wonder if it changes any opinions?
http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=17727
I'm gonna stand in the middle because I don't really have enough knowledge to make a decision on what this is all about.
After you have watched the "The Great Global Warming Swindle" you can find background and critique of it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYlbvJEZA_4&feature=related
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
#7768660 - 12/17/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A natural phenomenon which has most likely been pushed out of balance by human intervention. For most of our climate history, it has coincided with solar output. However, in recent years, the solar output has declined. Yet temperatures continue to rise. When we add greenhouse gases to the equation, then the continued rise makes sense. As for how catastrophic it will be, I think that's in our hands.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Silversoul]
#7768683 - 12/17/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are all you people in favor of putting caps on volcanoes worldwide?
I don't know this is a fact, but I would hazard to guess that CO2 and S emissions from vehicles and industry pales in comparison to that put out by the Earth's natural process'.
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Madtowntripper said: I don't know this is a fact, but I would hazard to guess that CO2 and S emissions from vehicles and industry pales in comparison to that put out by the Earth's natural process'.
Well ya, that explains the CO2 that exists there without us, but it doesn't mean that our contribution of CO2 doesn't tip the scales out of balance.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Silversoul]
#7768719 - 12/17/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm just saying that its my belief that the human effect is negligible.
I've changed my mind on this in the last several years. I used to think like you do, but it really doesn't make much sense.
What is the most prevalent greenhouse gas?
H20.
Good luck stopping evaporation from the oceans.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
#7768736 - 12/17/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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global warming = farce. just wait till the carbon tax comes in, feeding the north American union, making the poor poorer and the rich richer. not to say that pollution and the environment aren't big concerns, but really..yall are being bamboozled, hoodwinked. edit, by yall i don't mean the people in this thread, who aren't screaming and running around burning nonglobalwarming believers at the steak, i mean those who are doing that.
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I guess I'm just inclined to go with the vast majority of scientists on this one. The way I see it, if 90 doctors tell me I'm sick and 10 tell me I'm not, I'm going to go with the majority.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Silversoul]
#7768772 - 12/17/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Silversoul said: I guess I'm just inclined to go with the vast majority of scientists on this one. The way I see it, if 90 doctors tell me I'm sick and 10 tell me I'm not, I'm going to go with the majority.
Nobody is arguing that the Earth isn't warming.
It is, by a measurable amount. This is an absolute fact. But as a geologist, I can tell you that this has happened not once or twice, but thousands of times throughout history, long before there were people spewing hydrocarbon emissions into the atmosphere.
You can gripe and moan about it all you want, but in my opinion there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
#7768821 - 12/17/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Global warming is a religious movement that consists of millions of tree huggers all claiming to know how the world will end. Just like every other religious group, they are pushing their version of salvation onto the masses claiming "It's the only way."
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: shaggydogman]
#7768825 - 12/17/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting but they didn't seem to have much solid evidence against what the guy was saying.
They knit-picked some minor points but all the major points still stand.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Frosty_Storm]
#7769002 - 12/17/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is mid december and the other day it was 77 degrees, WTF?
I think global warming is happening. You can't deny that our quality of air will become exponentially worse if we keep using fossil fuels. It could get to the point where it could kill us. Already people who don't smoke are getting lung cancer and diseases. Some people will argue that sense man was made by nature, all his creation is natural. I think there is truth in this, however it is not wise. We need to find the balance again. People forget we are part of the earth and it is part of us. We depend on nature to further the human race. Another reason why I don't like christianity. all throughout the bible it asserts that man dominates over nature.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Cowgold]
#7769011 - 12/17/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cowgold said: Global warming is a religious movement that consists of millions of tree huggers all claiming to know how the world will end. Just like every other religious group, they are pushing their version of salvation onto the masses claiming "It's the only way."
It is truth though, man can't not live a quality life without nature. For one it keeps us alive and secondly, see Emerson.
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What you see as "Nature" today is merely a snapshot of what life on Earth actually is.
Life is constantly changing as old species become extinct and new species emerge to take their place.
99.9% of the species that have ever lived are extinct.
Trust me, no matter what we do, Nature will be there to repopulate things.
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I think it's time Earth First! made a comeback in my sig
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ChiefGreenLeaf said: It is mid december and the other day it was 77 degrees, WTF?
I think global warming is happening. You can't deny that our quality of air will become exponentially worse if we keep using fossil fuels. It could get to the point where it could kill us. Already people who don't smoke are getting lung cancer and diseases. Some people will argue that sense man was made by nature, all his creation is natural. I think there is truth in this, however it is not wise. We need to find the balance again. People forget we are part of the earth and it is part of us. We depend on nature to further the human race. Another reason why I don't like christianity. all throughout the bible it asserts that man dominates over nature.
dominion over nature, not domination.(maybe not that big of a difference) Christianity teaches we are supposed to be caretakers of the earth. Unfortunately most people nowadays who call them selves Christian don't have the love that Christ taught about...truly lost sheep. But yes we should definitely work in tandem with nature instead of raping mother earth. The global warming facade is just the big rich evil peoples way to get the hippies under their thumbs, cause some panic and get everyone to 'look over there' while they rape us some more.
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ChiefGreenLeaf said: It is mid december and the other day it was 77 degrees, WTF?
We've had record amounts of snow here. (WI)
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Frosty_Storm said: And if you are really worried, put some ice in a glass and watch it melt, there will be no devestating flooding or tidal waves.
A realistic simulation would have ice on top of some land mass. The ice on top will melt and the water level will rise. Most of the ice on Greenland and Antarctica is on top of land. When it does melt, the water levels will rise and the low-lying coastal regions (also the most populated regions of earth) will eventually be submerged.
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Madtowntripper said: Trust me, no matter what we do, Nature will be there to repopulate things.
I have no doubt that natural selection will go on no matter how badly we abuse our planet. The question is whether we will make the cut or not. What's going to happen if the environment is no longer suitable to grow crops or if we can't grow enough to sustain an exponentially growing population in a few hundred years?
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: joker_man]
#7769162 - 12/17/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A few hundred years?
Please.
Trying to project anything *25* years is absolute folly.
Much less several hundred.
You could make just as valid a case that in 100 years we'll have legions of atmosphere-scrubbing airplanes that would sail around the planet sucking up all of our industrial flatulence, and hence we can pollute willy-nilly w/out a care in the world.
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Look at how much earth's population has grown in the last 100 years. I'm sure we won't be able to sustain that rate of growth for the next 300.
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Madtowntripper said: Trying to project anything *25* years is absolute folly.
Are you saying that nature is absolute chaos? That I can't make a reasonable assumption?
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: joker_man]
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Madtowntripper said: Trying to project anything *25* years is absolute folly.
Are you saying that nature is absolute chaos? That I can't make a reasonable assumption?
No, not at all.
You misunderstand me.
I'm saying that you can't make a reasonable assumption about the course of human progress.
Nobody 50 years ago could predict many of the things we take for granted today, and many of the things they did predict have not come to pass.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: joker_man]
#7769223 - 12/17/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That I can't make a reasonable assumption?
Sure, you can make one...but understand that your assumption rapidly becomes just that as you go forward in time.
Many futurists have a hard time predicting what will happen in just 10 years...let alone 25. While you can make predictions about things in 25 years, you can't make very accurate ones. With anything beyond 25 years it really is pointless.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: trendal]
#7769466 - 12/17/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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anybody ever read .... state of fear... by michael crichton
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"Nobody 50 years ago could predict many of the things we take for granted today, and many of the things they did predict have not come to pass. "
It doesnt matter whether or not you can predict it 100% . We are trying to do with what we can to figure out whats going to happen. Saying that trying to predict whats gonna happen in 25-50 years is absolutely going to be wrong, is assuming that you know what is going to happen in 25-50, because your assumption is based on the fact that whatever we say will happen, will be wrong. So dont take into account what will happen. And if you seem to accept such types of claims, then i could also say, that your right, we may be wrong, global warming may completly destroy the world.
I guesse the question comes down to: If you think something you are doing, may be making you sick and could potential cause alot of suffering - do you stop and try to see what may make it true, or do you keep going, and in comparison to the main attitudes of the west, go even faster and find out when you get there?
You think that because it is uncertain that global warming is real, it most likely is not. But do you stop to think, maybe we should take a step back and take some measures(such as eliminate unnessecary energy uses, like leaving computers on all night) to ensure that if we are wrong and that it does happen to be true, we wont suffer and cause pain as much?
"Weve had record snow fall where i live"
Global warming is not going to stop annual rain and snow falls. It will concentrate it in certain places, and strip from others.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: JoseLibrado]
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I'm not saying that global warming is not real!
I 100% agree with you that the earth is warming.
There is almost no argument over this fact among anyone!
But this is the natural order of things.
Global temperatures rise and fall and rise and fall and rise and fall.
Expecting them to be static just because humans are around?
C'mon...
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The question is what is causing global warming. Probably the most common answer among the nay-sayers is solar radiation. And indeed most of the warming and cooling we see over the course of history coincides with fluctuations in solar radiation. However, it is my understanding that the last peak in solar radiation was somewhere between 10-20 years ago, and that it's been declining ever since. Yet global temperatures have continued to rise. When we look for another culprit, we find that greenhouse gases have also risen even as solar radiation has fallen, and in direct proportion to the rise in temperature.
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I'm yet to see definite proof that we are causing a warming.
Or evidence that warming is a problem.
Apparently last century everyone thought global cooling was the problem, they expected an ice age was coming.
Seems these fears have no more basis than these end of the world predictions.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
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I'm wondering how much scientific consensus there was on the global cooling thing. And was anyone saying that humans were contributing to it? While the scientific community is not unanimous in support of the anthropogenic hypothesis(they rarely are unanimous about anything), it seems that the vast majority of them support the basic hypothesis on this subject, and the peer-reviewed scientific journals reflect this. It seems to me that those few scientists who disagree with the anthropogenic hypothesis are overrepresented due to the fact that so many groups have a vested interest in the status quo. There are scientists who don't think HIV causes AIDS, but you don't hear about them very often.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Silversoul]
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I just hope the hurricanes kill us all before i have to live any closer to any of you assholes.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Silversoul]
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Venus has been warming too, and has a ton more greenhouse gases than Earth has...and guess what, not one single human...
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: supra]
#7772454 - 12/18/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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supra said: Venus has been warming too, and has a ton more greenhouse gases than Earth has...and guess what, not one single human...
Is this supposed to mean something?
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Silversoul]
#7772907 - 12/18/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe, maybe not, but there are absolutely no humans on Venus, yet it suffers from global warming as well...that is all that it means, can it be correlated to the Earth? who knows...global warming is a scheme cooked up to make Americans give up even more of their freedoms, yet another scare tactic. While I think it is a good idea to go green, I also think that the earth has been here a little over 4 billion years in the state it is in now, and that the Earth would ass rape humans measly little 20000 year existence if she wants to...While the globe is warming, I am in strong belief that we as a human race have nothing to do with it.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: supra]
#7773100 - 12/18/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont know why so many people insist that there is no scientific proof that we are causing global warming.... if you pick just about any climate scientist on earth, theyll tell you that humans are causing global warming...this is what these people do for a living, they study data they acquire about our planets climate... yet most people, who have never studied the climate at all, or climate history, or the climates of other planets, point to our climates history, and the climates on other planets to explain why we are not the cause..... it just seems so stupid, that scientists put out hundreds and hundreds of peer reviewed studies on global warming, and yet your average lay person's response is to say that they have seen absolutely no proof of it, having never read, or even considered reading the actual scientific literature
if you want proof, you have to make an effort to learn some basics about the climate, and then read some of the thousands of peer reviewed research papers by the worlds leading climate scientists
before you proclaim that there is absolutely no proof, and all this is just a scam.... why dont you actually make an effort to learn about the situation? the literature is there, so why dont you read it and then come up with some points to refute the overwhelming scientific evidence? instead of just saying 'hey, venus has some greenhouse gas problems, thats proof that humans arent doing it' or 'the earth has gone through many cooling and heating cycles before we were here, why should we think we are doing anything to affect the whole planet?' please do your research and know what you are talking about before saying that its all based on bad science, cause im pretty sure that most of the people criticizing the science on which the global warming theories are based, wouldnt know a scientific research paper if it bit em in the ass
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: boomer q]
#7773231 - 12/18/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's a bunch of articles by "kooks"(scientists) about global warming:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=global+warming
See how many search results you have to go through before you find one that contradicts the anthropogenic hypothesis.
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Madtowntripper said: It is, by a measurable amount. This is an absolute fact. But as a geologist, I can tell you that this has happened not once or twice, but thousands of times throughout history, long before there were people spewing hydrocarbon emissions into the atmosphere.
Of course it has, nobody is arguing that. What's really got all the scientists in a tiff is how rapidly it's warming.
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Madtowntripper said: What is the most prevalent greenhouse gas?
H20.
Good luck stopping evaporation from the oceans.
You have to be kidding me. Of course there's naturally occuring greenhouse gasses, that's how our planet works! we need a decent amount of trapping gasses to keep the longwave radiation in our lower atmosphere to keep us cool. Look at the moon, if we had an atmosphere (or lack thereof) like that, we'd expereince temperatures as low as -250f every single night! The problem is us releasing thousands of tons of CO2 every year, spewing toxins into rivers (polluting the ONLY freshwater we have), and cutting down trees, which produce arguably the single most important molecule our body uses.
So yeah, you can say it doesn't matter, but we're commiting suicide whether you believe it or not.
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You could make just as valid a case that in 100 years we'll have legions of atmosphere-scrubbing airplanes that would sail around the planet sucking up all of our industrial flatulence, and hence we can pollute willy-nilly w/out a care in the world.
id like to see someone make that case
also, they already have things which scrub the CO2 out of the atmosphere...called trees. we are cutting down forests at an incredible rate. we have about half of the tropical rain forests that we had in 1990. this is just one of many things humans are doing besides putting millions of tons of the gasses into the atmosphere ourselves. dont you think that these kind of large scale changes to the planet have an effect on the planets natural ability to regulate the ratios of gasses in the atmosphere?
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