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ChiefGreenLeaf

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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Cowgold]
#7769011 - 12/17/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cowgold said: Global warming is a religious movement that consists of millions of tree huggers all claiming to know how the world will end. Just like every other religious group, they are pushing their version of salvation onto the masses claiming "It's the only way."
It is truth though, man can't not live a quality life without nature. For one it keeps us alive and secondly, see Emerson.
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Madtowntripper
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What you see as "Nature" today is merely a snapshot of what life on Earth actually is.
Life is constantly changing as old species become extinct and new species emerge to take their place.
99.9% of the species that have ever lived are extinct.
Trust me, no matter what we do, Nature will be there to repopulate things.
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I think it's time Earth First! made a comeback in my sig
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ChiefGreenLeaf said: It is mid december and the other day it was 77 degrees, WTF?
I think global warming is happening. You can't deny that our quality of air will become exponentially worse if we keep using fossil fuels. It could get to the point where it could kill us. Already people who don't smoke are getting lung cancer and diseases. Some people will argue that sense man was made by nature, all his creation is natural. I think there is truth in this, however it is not wise. We need to find the balance again. People forget we are part of the earth and it is part of us. We depend on nature to further the human race. Another reason why I don't like christianity. all throughout the bible it asserts that man dominates over nature.
dominion over nature, not domination.(maybe not that big of a difference) Christianity teaches we are supposed to be caretakers of the earth. Unfortunately most people nowadays who call them selves Christian don't have the love that Christ taught about...truly lost sheep. But yes we should definitely work in tandem with nature instead of raping mother earth. The global warming facade is just the big rich evil peoples way to get the hippies under their thumbs, cause some panic and get everyone to 'look over there' while they rape us some more.
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Madtowntripper
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ChiefGreenLeaf said: It is mid december and the other day it was 77 degrees, WTF?
We've had record amounts of snow here. (WI)
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joker_man
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Frosty_Storm said: And if you are really worried, put some ice in a glass and watch it melt, there will be no devestating flooding or tidal waves.
A realistic simulation would have ice on top of some land mass. The ice on top will melt and the water level will rise. Most of the ice on Greenland and Antarctica is on top of land. When it does melt, the water levels will rise and the low-lying coastal regions (also the most populated regions of earth) will eventually be submerged.
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Madtowntripper said: Trust me, no matter what we do, Nature will be there to repopulate things.
I have no doubt that natural selection will go on no matter how badly we abuse our planet. The question is whether we will make the cut or not. What's going to happen if the environment is no longer suitable to grow crops or if we can't grow enough to sustain an exponentially growing population in a few hundred years?
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: joker_man]
#7769162 - 12/17/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A few hundred years?
Please.
Trying to project anything *25* years is absolute folly.
Much less several hundred.
You could make just as valid a case that in 100 years we'll have legions of atmosphere-scrubbing airplanes that would sail around the planet sucking up all of our industrial flatulence, and hence we can pollute willy-nilly w/out a care in the world.
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joker_man
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Look at how much earth's population has grown in the last 100 years. I'm sure we won't be able to sustain that rate of growth for the next 300.
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Madtowntripper said: Trying to project anything *25* years is absolute folly.
Are you saying that nature is absolute chaos? That I can't make a reasonable assumption?
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: joker_man]
#7769221 - 12/17/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: Trying to project anything *25* years is absolute folly.
Are you saying that nature is absolute chaos? That I can't make a reasonable assumption?
No, not at all.
You misunderstand me.
I'm saying that you can't make a reasonable assumption about the course of human progress.
Nobody 50 years ago could predict many of the things we take for granted today, and many of the things they did predict have not come to pass.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: joker_man]
#7769223 - 12/17/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That I can't make a reasonable assumption?
Sure, you can make one...but understand that your assumption rapidly becomes just that as you go forward in time.
Many futurists have a hard time predicting what will happen in just 10 years...let alone 25. While you can make predictions about things in 25 years, you can't make very accurate ones. With anything beyond 25 years it really is pointless.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: trendal]
#7769466 - 12/17/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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anybody ever read .... state of fear... by michael crichton
Edited by Tomandjerry58 (12/17/07 12:48 PM)
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JoseLibrado
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"Nobody 50 years ago could predict many of the things we take for granted today, and many of the things they did predict have not come to pass. "
It doesnt matter whether or not you can predict it 100% . We are trying to do with what we can to figure out whats going to happen. Saying that trying to predict whats gonna happen in 25-50 years is absolutely going to be wrong, is assuming that you know what is going to happen in 25-50, because your assumption is based on the fact that whatever we say will happen, will be wrong. So dont take into account what will happen. And if you seem to accept such types of claims, then i could also say, that your right, we may be wrong, global warming may completly destroy the world.
I guesse the question comes down to: If you think something you are doing, may be making you sick and could potential cause alot of suffering - do you stop and try to see what may make it true, or do you keep going, and in comparison to the main attitudes of the west, go even faster and find out when you get there?
You think that because it is uncertain that global warming is real, it most likely is not. But do you stop to think, maybe we should take a step back and take some measures(such as eliminate unnessecary energy uses, like leaving computers on all night) to ensure that if we are wrong and that it does happen to be true, we wont suffer and cause pain as much?
"Weve had record snow fall where i live"
Global warming is not going to stop annual rain and snow falls. It will concentrate it in certain places, and strip from others.
love lots. peace bros
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7769607 - 12/17/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not saying that global warming is not real!
I 100% agree with you that the earth is warming.
There is almost no argument over this fact among anyone!
But this is the natural order of things.
Global temperatures rise and fall and rise and fall and rise and fall.
Expecting them to be static just because humans are around?
C'mon...
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The question is what is causing global warming. Probably the most common answer among the nay-sayers is solar radiation. And indeed most of the warming and cooling we see over the course of history coincides with fluctuations in solar radiation. However, it is my understanding that the last peak in solar radiation was somewhere between 10-20 years ago, and that it's been declining ever since. Yet global temperatures have continued to rise. When we look for another culprit, we find that greenhouse gases have also risen even as solar radiation has fallen, and in direct proportion to the rise in temperature.
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I'm yet to see definite proof that we are causing a warming.
Or evidence that warming is a problem.
Apparently last century everyone thought global cooling was the problem, they expected an ice age was coming.
Seems these fears have no more basis than these end of the world predictions.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Ego Death]
#7769798 - 12/17/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm wondering how much scientific consensus there was on the global cooling thing. And was anyone saying that humans were contributing to it? While the scientific community is not unanimous in support of the anthropogenic hypothesis(they rarely are unanimous about anything), it seems that the vast majority of them support the basic hypothesis on this subject, and the peer-reviewed scientific journals reflect this. It seems to me that those few scientists who disagree with the anthropogenic hypothesis are overrepresented due to the fact that so many groups have a vested interest in the status quo. There are scientists who don't think HIV causes AIDS, but you don't hear about them very often.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Silversoul]
#7771122 - 12/17/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just hope the hurricanes kill us all before i have to live any closer to any of you assholes.
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: Silversoul]
#7772449 - 12/18/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Venus has been warming too, and has a ton more greenhouse gases than Earth has...and guess what, not one single human...
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Re: Global Warming - Your views [Re: supra]
#7772454 - 12/18/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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supra said: Venus has been warming too, and has a ton more greenhouse gases than Earth has...and guess what, not one single human...
Is this supposed to mean something?
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