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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: rawtoxic]
    #7768561 - 12/17/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There has to be a balance. *I'm* not happy working at jobs that aren't spiritually satisfying. Something that satisfies my spirit would be a job that heals and unites the world rather then harms or divides it.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: MOTH]
    #7768570 - 12/17/07 08:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just quit a job last week. I missed two days and simply didn't want to argue with the old fucker, so I just stopped going. I do this with a lot of my jobs, I used to think it was just b/c of my drug problem. But I've been pretty much sober for a while, and I did it again. I get like social anxiety when it comes to arguing with a boss or explaining why I missed work.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: MOTH]
    #7768602 - 12/17/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Damn rawtoxic you almost had a point before you started embarrassing yourself with name-calling.

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That's what I am looking for now, actually. Something to do that benefits the world.




You can benefit the world in just about any job. Be compassionate to every customer and co-worker. Make their days better. Provide value to them, and you'll feel good for it, as well as being compensated with money. Every day can be an opportunity to do that.

Working a job doesn't have to be 'trading your precious time away for money,' like some here have said. There is joy and pride to be found in work if you stay mindful and resist the urge to resent it. It's all about point of view. Anybody who views work as an obstacle or a sacrifice will not have a good experience.

If you don't feel like you are benefiting the world when you're at work, try bringing a different attitude to it. Go to work with the mindset of improving other people's experience, and yours will be better. It really works.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7768620 - 12/17/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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There is joy and pride to be found in work if you stay mindful and resist the urge to resent it. It's all about point of view.




That's true!


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7768628 - 12/17/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn rawtoxic you almost had a point before you started embarrassing yourself with name-calling.

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That's what I am looking for now, actually.  Something to do that benefits the world.




You can benefit the world in just about any job.  Be compassionate to every customer and co-worker.  Make their days better.  Provide value to them, and you'll feel good for it, as well as being compensated with money.  Every day can be an opportunity to do that.

Working a job doesn't have to be 'trading your precious time away for money,' like some here have said. There is joy and pride to be found in work if you stay mindful and resist the urge to resent it.  It's all about point of view.  Anybody who views work as an obstacle or a sacrifice will not have a good experience.

If you don't feel like you are benefiting the world when you're at work, try bringing a different attitude to it.  Go to work with the mindset of improving other people's experience, and yours will be better.  It really works.




Really, a very nice contribution to the thread. Thanks. :heart:


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: MOTH]
    #7768631 - 12/17/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've experienced the same tendencies of laziness, but it's a yearly deal. Every winter I have to force myself through the day and sometimes it's tough. I have a great job, I love it, but it's not always the focal point m-f and I think that's a big part of the problem.

Truth be told, it's not a problem that a new or a dream job is going to fix. I know it's easy to think, "If my job was like this..., then I wouldn't have a problem." WRONG! No matter how awesome of a job a person has, there are days where it feels like work. Make yourself adapt.

Also... Work doesn't have to turn you into a self righteous prick.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: MOTH]
    #7768637 - 12/17/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why don't you join the peace corps moth? Sounds right up your alley, you will get to travel, don't really make a lot of money, but definitely help people day in day out...Or gain a good reason to hold down a job. Im a family man and have to support my family...while not having a choice to work where i do now kind of sucks, I just finished up my computer science degree with cum laude recognition (3.5-3.75 gpa) and have been offered a great job that is going to pay me wonderfully, give my family the best benefits available, and let me retire completely in about 30-40 years...just do what fits you. My situation is what I work in, and it satisfies me.

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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: supra]
    #7768640 - 12/17/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Why don't you join the peace corps moth? Sounds right up your alley, you will get to travel, don't really make a lot of money, but definitely help people day in day out...Or gain a good reason to hold down a job.




Hmmm...peace corps...never thought about it before! I guess I could look into it.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: rawtoxic]
    #7768652 - 12/17/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I bet my girl wouldn't give half you the time of day.




Sounds like a winner you got there :rolleyes:

I can't wait to hear from you in 10 years, after all your "successfulness", including a retardedly expensive wedding(don't for get to propose with AT THE VERY LEAST, a 10,000 dollar ring)...a bitch like that will walk away with half with a smile on her face :smirk:

...and all anyone will be hearing from you is some loud whining "it's not fair!"

People like you are the reason I've hated going to work.  Like moth said, sounds like cultural condition only to me.

I'd like you to explain, in detail, how someone NOT striving for the acceptance you so valueably hold in high regard, is a loser?


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: rawtoxic]
    #7768656 - 12/17/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Get some fucking motivation and pride in yourself... calling in 1-2 days a week your truly a pathetic slug if you do that - there is NO REASON short of major disease that I would let one of my employees miss that much work.

It's no suprise a bunch of burn outs on here. Basically all you said Ego Death is justification's for you being lazy self-centered piece of shit "do what I want, work when I want, fuck over whoever I want." Oh that's really cool attitude to have, in high school maybe. I guess you probably didn't finish that so that might be where your stuck with your job, maturity and intellectual development.

Anyways I think it's pathetic you can't keep a job because of faults of your own, poor performance, calling in 1-2 days week, or whatever you people do to get fired for.

Ego Death - The bitter old people who spent there who life working for the man, are you suggesting they would not be bitter if they were Homeless, poor and broke instead because that's the alternative. And if you don't like working for the man, why not make YOU THE MAN if your so smart open your own business?




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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: ivi]
    #7768664 - 12/17/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No Michelle here.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: ivi]
    #7768668 - 12/17/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I can hold a job for a looooooong time. always have and always will.. I love having the stability.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: DiabloSmurf]
    #7768670 - 12/17/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe that's what I don't like about the same routine day in and day out...too much stability.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: MOTH]
    #7768689 - 12/17/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's not necessarily about societal standards off "success", it's about doing SOMETHING with your life. How can you guys go through life doing absolutely nothing and resorting to the "your just culturally conditioned" plea.

Living in your mom's basement, or pumping gas the the 7-eleven your entire life is no more "meaningful", or "fulfilling" as the guy who chases societal standards of "success". With that being said, I prefer the latter.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: badchad]
    #7768701 - 12/17/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All this talk about success... :nonono:

Success is reaching your goals.    If you don't reach your goals, you feel like shit and start redefining success.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: badchad]
    #7768725 - 12/17/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It's not necessarily about societal standards off "success", it's about doing SOMETHING with your life. How can you guys go through life doing absolutely nothing and resorting to the "your just culturally conditioned" plea.

Living in your mom's basement, or pumping gas the the 7-eleven your entire life is no more "meaningful", or "fulfilling" as the guy who chases societal standards of "success". With that being said, I prefer the latter.




I Agree, Aslong as you can get out and just apply yourself a little bit.. You really can get what you want. Moved out when i was 15, havnt been back to the rents since. Im 21 now and slowly on my way to the top if i keep it up. Well to the top of whay i want that is. A nice home, An awesome dog, and a Fucking awesome job!


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: DiabloSmurf]
    #7768739 - 12/17/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Stop ego-tripping and get a fucking clue. Have a kid maybe. Could change a whole lot in your life. You're not going to school anyway, and, apparently, are unable to keep a job.

Or write a book already. Could change a lot in your life too, and maybe mine and many other people's as well.

If you can't work for the man, start your own thing. Just do fucking something!

I'm sorry if I sound harsh. I don't know you personally, but I've been reading your posts since you registered.

I believe I know how you feel. And don't ask me for pictures of my wrists.

Hell, pick up the Bible and read the fucking John 5:8.

You Texans...

P.S. Sorry I'm drunk.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: Cowgold]
    #7768747 - 12/17/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If only Karl Marx could read this thread. Myself, I hate part time jobs and the like. I can enjoy them for a while, but I always get sick of them quick. I'm pretty good at school, so I'm hoping that I can survive off of all the stupid credentials that I'm going to get. Anyway rawtoxic sounds like he needs to brush up on Marx's theory of alienation. Not contributing to the hegemonic capitalist system doesn't make a person a slug or devalue them as a person.

Did you know that indigenous tribes have a work week of about 5-10 hours AND they don't have the dehumanizing inequality that our "successful" system can boast.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: MOTH]
    #7768774 - 12/17/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just called out 3 days in a row. I know they're probably pissed but I feel the same way you do about work. I work at Geek Squad. I enjoy computer repair but now it's just turning into the same old bullshit day in and day out. I have off tomorrow, I might call in and see if they want help so they don't hate me.


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Re: Who else has a hard time holding down a job? [Re: MOTH]
    #7769035 - 12/17/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm with ya...seeing ppl who've been at the same job for years and moved nowhere and are completely miserable yet too scared and or stuck in the habbit of working there that they don't even try to break free and find something better is so depressing

what I find to be the most frustrating is when I'm doing a good job and enthuastic about it...learning quick and contributing a lot to the company and then theres that supervisor whos bitter and can't stand to see someone happy and taking pride in their work so they make it their goal to demoralize you, put you down at any chance they get and find fault in your work even if it means wasting their time and eventually refusing to accept that there was nothing wrong to begin with

I'm the type of person who needs to feel appreciated and that coupled with the fact that they blared love music all fuckin day long(one of those wonderful work stations) and after breaking up with the girl who I will most likely never stop loving with all my heart I felt like I could not deal with it anymore

I got off the bus after work one day and someone offered me valiums cheap(wanted money for crack) so I grabbed them and started using them at home and work(and even shared them with a coworker) when they ran out I tried to find more and when I couldn't find them I bought coke instead...and after being up for 2 nights and not going to work and not calling in(I don't have a phone right now) I was fired when I did eventually call in

I haven't work yet again but I will soon...I know this is anxiety and I have a skewed perception of what future jobs will be like but I Just can't get myself to even look for a job yet

I need to stay clean first...I've made the decision to quit everything...and its not cause I don't believe in lsd and other positive psychedelic drugs anymore...the problem is I'm an addict and use of any drugs keeps me around ppl who encourage drug use, have a negative perspective on life in general and also gets me back into that cycle of drug use regardless of what it is

so my goal right now is to stay completely clean...then I will work again

anyways I kinda went off topic there sorry bout that :P


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