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'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada
    #7764112 - 12/15/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal
Published: Friday, December 14, 2007

MONCTON, N.B. -Police have been forced to drop charges against a Moncton man because the drug he was caught with isn't illegal - although it has the same effect as LSD and ecstasy.

Two months ago, RCMP and Canada Border Service Agency officers raided the man's Moncton home and seized a shipment of 28,000 pills worth $1 million that they thought were LSD and ecstasy. But they've had to abandon the prosecution because the people who made the pills tweaked the recipe just enough to beat the law - the drug they found no longer matches any on the list of restricted drugs under the Controlled Drug and Substances Act.

"If it's not part of the (Criminal) Code, police can't lay charges," explains Jennifer Hebert, a criminal lawyer.

On Wednesday, charges were dropped against a 41-year-old man for possession of illegal drugs.

The so-called "designer drug" is known as Piperazine, a chemical used to make industrial cleaners.

It was made in clandestine labs in Europe by black-market chemists, said RCMP Const. Chantal Farrah.

Farrah says people who take it get the same effect as if they took LSD or ecstasy. Beyond that, it's also toxic, she said, "so it's still a risk to our youth."

Hebert says drug dealers are trying to stay ahead of the law.

"They are looking at ways to get around the Criminal Code. They're looking at what the chemical composition is, what meets the criteria, what doesn't. What they can add to change the chemical compound to the substance."

What worries police and lawyers most is that until it is listed as a restricted drug it's not an offence to possess it.

Police say they are talking with Ottawa to get the list amended. But federal Justice officials have not said how long it will take to put the new drug on the banned substances list.

Hebert says it had better be soon.

"If the federal government doesn't act to move to amend the Code, it opens the door," she said.

Drug dealers know what substances won't meet the criteria to be included on the list and they will keep producing them, she said.

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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7764120 - 12/15/07 11:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This article if fantastic.

Piperazine doesn't seem to be active, so it sounds like this reporter, yet again, fucks up the story.

What was the drug? How do they know it is "toxic" (whatever that means) if they don't identify it?

And how does something have the same effects as MDMA and LSD when the two work differently?

So many questions


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http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=ef87cf2b-64e1-40b9-8404-cb9199f302f9&k=94914


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7764279 - 12/16/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"28,000 pills worth $1 million that they thought were LSD and ecstasy."

since when does LSD come in pills?

I hate reporters that don't give a fuck about getting their shit straight. I really do.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7764320 - 12/16/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so where can i get some?

if its still legal we should be able to order it on the internet!!!!

What a wonderful drug it would be, an automatic candy-flip


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Molasses]
    #7764348 - 12/16/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Haha I think they're talking about BZP, misinformed chumps.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Emong]
    #7764473 - 12/16/07 01:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Before you call people misinformed chumps make sure you know what you are talking about. BZP isn't the drug they are talking about. I am almost sure they are talking about this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFMPP

The drug is called Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine
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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Emong]
    #7764479 - 12/16/07 01:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Sporetastic]
    #7764482 - 12/16/07 01:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The drug is called Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine
try pronouncing that word.





Pfft no dice, I can even do it three times fast:

TrifluoromethylphenylpiperazineTrifluoromethylphenylpiperazineTrifluoromethylphenylpiperazine

Hot shit or what?


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7764491 - 12/16/07 01:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The combination of BZP and TFMPP has been associated with a range of side effects, including insomnia, anxiety, nausea and vomiting, headaches and muscle aches which may resemble migraine, seizures, impotence, and rarely psychosis, as well as a prolonged and unpleasant hangover effect similar to that produced by alcohol. These side effects tend to be significantly worsened when the BZP/TFMPP mix is consumed alongside alcohol, especially the headache, nausea and hangover.




.... impotence?! fuck that i'm not taking it.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: learningtofly]
    #7764500 - 12/16/07 01:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

as if extasy and other amphetamines don't have the same effects


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7764549 - 12/16/07 01:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well i dont know anything about ectasy or other amphet's


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: learningtofly]
    #7764562 - 12/16/07 01:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

could you ever dream this shit up? i mean, this IS propaganda. don't think i've seen such a clear example before.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Noviseer]
    #7764581 - 12/16/07 01:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's cool how the government is forcing people to use less healthy drugs, just to entertain or enlighten themselves without having police kicking their door in.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: shroom_ninja]
    #7764621 - 12/16/07 02:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that's pretty much what drug testing does.  Forces pot heads to do crack and opiates :thumbup:

Good job society/parents/nannystate


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7764771 - 12/16/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Uh there called Microdots.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: hpi]
    #7764784 - 12/16/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I thought this was gonna be about Salvia... I'm a little disappointed... :frown:


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: learningtofly]
    #7764833 - 12/16/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



Amphetamines definitely don't cause impotence... you ever had sex after popping a couple of Adderall? Try it, your girl will worship you.

At least they are't trying to sell MPTP or anything...


Edited by Dango_Bill (12/16/07 10:25 AM)


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7764866 - 12/16/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

OK so the report said the effect is like taking LSD or ecstasy. first of all they are completely different highs. especially the speed based tabs. which are most prevalent since meth is alot easier to come by and to cut with. and there is a huge difference b/w a acid trip and the speeped out roll. any honestly i dont think there is any legal drug that could equal up to a good candy flip. there's no way. and anyone who has candy flipped on numerous occasions will probaly back me here. any yes LSD deff. comes in pills, the larger the better:crazy2: but their usually microdots, and seem to be way pricier...

just my two cents:rolleyes:


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7764898 - 12/16/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

R U SERIOUS?? lol dango bill. take some fuckin adderall. how old are you.. 15? just go get some meth buddy, its way better:evil:

and if you need adderall to please your lady..well im pretty sure they make drugs espically for that.. anyone who tries to take adderall to get a high is lame. espically b/c you probaly just break it in half and drink it wih some OJ or something lol. if your going to try and get high off that then at least break that shit into a moster ass line, and get your friend to video record it with some cool music in the back ground. then you can look back onto it and realize how cool you really are!!!  hey hey i think i just planned your next friday night  :dancing:


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: knotty]
    #7765382 - 12/16/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

LMFAO. knotty is proof that meth fucks you up and leaves a stupid, unintelligible husk.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Sporetastic]
    #7765800 - 12/16/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Before you call people misinformed chumps make sure you know what you are talking about. BZP isn't the drug they are talking about. I am almost sure they are talking about this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFMPP

The drug is called Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine
try pronouncing that word.




BZP and TFMPP might as well be the same thing considering 95% of the time the pills are a mixture of the two (TFMPP without BZP is extremely rare) and the effects are only slightly different. Either way they're nothing at all like LSD and to compare them to MDMA is a bit of a stretch.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Emong]
    #7766253 - 12/16/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Supposedly TMFPP brings that extra euphoric shiny touch to the mixture that makes the combo more "MDMA"-like.

I used to fiend on BZP quite a lot, and found it to be a very good upper, all thou after a few days things got really crazy.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7767806 - 12/16/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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And how does something have the same effects as MDMA and LSD when the two work differently?




No kidding. I think most officers of the law have no idea what LSD even does.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: PoisonedV]
    #7771532 - 12/17/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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LMFAO. knotty is proof that meth fucks you up and leaves a stupid, unintelligible husk.





'Nuff said


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Emong]
    #7784712 - 12/21/07 07:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Emong said:
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Sporetastic said:
Before you call people misinformed chumps make sure you know what you are talking about. BZP isn't the drug they are talking about. I am almost sure they are talking about this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFMPP

The drug is called Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine
try pronouncing that word.




BZP and TFMPP might as well be the same thing considering 95% of the time the pills are a mixture of the two (TFMPP without BZP is extremely rare) and the effects are only slightly different. Either way they're nothing at all like LSD and to compare them to MDMA is a bit of a stretch.




Not entirely true. It is true that you typically won't see pure TFMPP in pill form. However, pure TFMPP powder is sold in countries where it is legal.

And from what I understand, the effects are drastically different.

I believe (though I could be wrong) that pure TFMPP lacks the stimulant effects that you get from BZP or some other piperazine drugs.

TFMPP, like some of the other serotonergic piperazines (mCPP, MeOPP, etc) is supposed to be either inactive, or only weakly active by itself. That is why it is combined with the BZP, which acts synergistically and causes the "psychedelic-like" effects.

I thought the BZP/TFMPP combo was pretty decent when I took it. The experience was pretty speedy, due to the BZP. The stimulant effect reminded me of amphetamine, or taking a bunch of ephedrine. The psychedelic aspect was weak, but enjoyable. Similar taking a low dose of acid.

There was the "feeling" of tripping... the body high, and minor mental effects. No major visuals to speak of. Interesting body-sensations, though, that did remind me a little of MDMA.

And piperazines being related to impotence drugs (Viagra and Levitra) sex on BZP/TFMPP was fucking GREAT.

I was ready to go all night. A nice sensual shower with my girlfriend, washing each other, followed by screwing for a long time... tactile perception on the skin seemed enhanced and altered, and there was a high-level of mental arousal, coupled with being rock-hard, and almost no refractory period after ejaculation. I was just ready to go again.

Definitely worth repeating.

Sadly, BZP is scheduled in a lot of places. It's still legal in Canada and the UK. It was recently banned in New Zealand. Interestingly, some of the other piperazines (TFMPP included) are NOT scheduled, in some of the countries where BZP is illegal. (TFMPP is not specifically scheduled in the US, nor is MeOPP, etc.)

Sadly, I don't think this will last long. BZP will be scheduled in Canada soon, I am sure. And I imagine that the UK won't be far behind. Especially if we see more shit like this.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: knotty]
    #7811183 - 12/29/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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R U SERIOUS?? lol dango bill. take some fuckin adderall. how old are you.. 15? just go get some meth buddy, its way better:evil:

and if you need adderall to please your lady..well im pretty sure they make drugs espically for that.. anyone who tries to take adderall to get a high is lame. espically b/c you probaly just break it in half and drink it wih some OJ or something lol. if your going to try and get high off that then at least break that shit into a moster ass line, and get your friend to video record it with some cool music in the back ground. then you can look back onto it and realize how cool you really are!!!  hey hey i think i just planned your next friday night  :dancing:




Wow man, way to be a total asshole. i was just saying, i don't think amphetamines or many other stimulants cause impotence - i'm quite sure it's actually the other way around; with exception (of course) to those that have vascoconstrictive properties, but as i understand it, most amphetamines don't.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Dango_Bill]
    #7811493 - 12/29/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

wtf are you talking about? all amphetamines that act similar to the meth/ amphetamine drugs are vascoconstrictive

And the same sympathetic nervous system stimulation that causes vascoconstriction causes impotence.

"The predominant effects of the sympathetic innervation of the lower urinary tract in man are mediation of contraction of the bladder base and the urethra and inhibition of the parasympathetic pathways at spinal and ganglion levels. Sympathetic tone also mediates the contractility of smooth muscle fibres in the prostatic stroma, and it has an important role in maintaining the penis in a flaccid state and in ejaculation."
See: http://www.nature.com/pcan/journal/v2/n4s/abs/4500367a.html

"n the presence of mechanical stimulation, erection is initiated by the parasympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system (ANS) with minimal input from the central nervous system."
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erection


See also: http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/sex/erectile_dysfunction/ed.about.causes.drugs.htm

Maybe you're taking issue w/ the term impotence, as you feel this only applies to a chronic condition? Provide some sources for your statements.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7812269 - 12/30/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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wtf are you talking about? all amphetamines that act similar to the meth/ amphetamine drugs are vascoconstrictive

And the same sympathetic nervous system stimulation that causes vascoconstriction causes impotence.




In SWIM's opinion if your junk works all right then the increased blood pressure makes your dick rock hard and the psych effects make you last forever and finally blow damn hard.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: fastfred]
    #7812327 - 12/30/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

of course, most people have problems w/ the other end of things, lasting longer till orgasm, so some amphetamines are helpful for that, I'm sure

same thing w/ reports of people taking ssri's for premature ejaculation


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7812685 - 12/30/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> same thing w/ reports of people taking ssri's for premature ejaculation

Except that effect only lasts for awhile until you adjust to the meds, then when you go off them you're stuck being a two pump chump for at least as long as you got the initial benefit.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: fastfred]
    #7813294 - 12/30/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just like "hits like acid" Damn, acid 'hits' so hard, esp when you snort it or smoke out of a crack pipe. I just smoke some acid and then cruise the streets in my 64 and bus a cap any muthafuckas who be stepping yo.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7814814 - 12/30/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I just like "hits like acid" Damn, acid 'hits' so hard, esp when you snort it or smoke out of a crack pipe. I just smoke some acid and then cruise the streets in my 64 and bus a cap any muthafuckas who be stepping yo.



"it smells like acid in here, are you kids smoking acid?"


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7852011 - 01/09/08 01:48 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
I just like "hits like acid" Damn, acid 'hits' so hard, esp when you snort it or smoke out of a crack pipe. I just smoke some acid and then cruise the streets in my 64 and bus a cap any muthafuckas who be stepping yo.



"it smells like acid in here, are you kids smoking acid?"




LOL, thats too funny .

and for the person that wrote "just buy some meth"
your saying UNRELIABLE clandestine produced meth is bettter than taking adderall?

your dumb. > :eatadick:


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