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OfflineEmong
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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Sporetastic]
    #7765800 - 12/16/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Sporetastic said:
Before you call people misinformed chumps make sure you know what you are talking about. BZP isn't the drug they are talking about. I am almost sure they are talking about this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFMPP

The drug is called Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine
try pronouncing that word.




BZP and TFMPP might as well be the same thing considering 95% of the time the pills are a mixture of the two (TFMPP without BZP is extremely rare) and the effects are only slightly different. Either way they're nothing at all like LSD and to compare them to MDMA is a bit of a stretch.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Emong]
    #7766253 - 12/16/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Supposedly TMFPP brings that extra euphoric shiny touch to the mixture that makes the combo more "MDMA"-like.

I used to fiend on BZP quite a lot, and found it to be a very good upper, all thou after a few days things got really crazy.


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Offlinetyler_0_durden
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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7767806 - 12/16/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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johnm214 said:
And how does something have the same effects as MDMA and LSD when the two work differently?




No kidding. I think most officers of the law have no idea what LSD even does.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: PoisonedV]
    #7771532 - 12/17/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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PoisonedV said:
LMFAO. knotty is proof that meth fucks you up and leaves a stupid, unintelligible husk.





'Nuff said


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Emong]
    #7784712 - 12/21/07 07:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Emong said:
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Sporetastic said:
Before you call people misinformed chumps make sure you know what you are talking about. BZP isn't the drug they are talking about. I am almost sure they are talking about this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFMPP

The drug is called Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine
try pronouncing that word.




BZP and TFMPP might as well be the same thing considering 95% of the time the pills are a mixture of the two (TFMPP without BZP is extremely rare) and the effects are only slightly different. Either way they're nothing at all like LSD and to compare them to MDMA is a bit of a stretch.




Not entirely true. It is true that you typically won't see pure TFMPP in pill form. However, pure TFMPP powder is sold in countries where it is legal.

And from what I understand, the effects are drastically different.

I believe (though I could be wrong) that pure TFMPP lacks the stimulant effects that you get from BZP or some other piperazine drugs.

TFMPP, like some of the other serotonergic piperazines (mCPP, MeOPP, etc) is supposed to be either inactive, or only weakly active by itself. That is why it is combined with the BZP, which acts synergistically and causes the "psychedelic-like" effects.

I thought the BZP/TFMPP combo was pretty decent when I took it. The experience was pretty speedy, due to the BZP. The stimulant effect reminded me of amphetamine, or taking a bunch of ephedrine. The psychedelic aspect was weak, but enjoyable. Similar taking a low dose of acid.

There was the "feeling" of tripping... the body high, and minor mental effects. No major visuals to speak of. Interesting body-sensations, though, that did remind me a little of MDMA.

And piperazines being related to impotence drugs (Viagra and Levitra) sex on BZP/TFMPP was fucking GREAT.

I was ready to go all night. A nice sensual shower with my girlfriend, washing each other, followed by screwing for a long time... tactile perception on the skin seemed enhanced and altered, and there was a high-level of mental arousal, coupled with being rock-hard, and almost no refractory period after ejaculation. I was just ready to go again.

Definitely worth repeating.

Sadly, BZP is scheduled in a lot of places. It's still legal in Canada and the UK. It was recently banned in New Zealand. Interestingly, some of the other piperazines (TFMPP included) are NOT scheduled, in some of the countries where BZP is illegal. (TFMPP is not specifically scheduled in the US, nor is MeOPP, etc.)

Sadly, I don't think this will last long. BZP will be scheduled in Canada soon, I am sure. And I imagine that the UK won't be far behind. Especially if we see more shit like this.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: knotty]
    #7811183 - 12/29/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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knotty said:
R U SERIOUS?? lol dango bill. take some fuckin adderall. how old are you.. 15? just go get some meth buddy, its way better:evil:

and if you need adderall to please your lady..well im pretty sure they make drugs espically for that.. anyone who tries to take adderall to get a high is lame. espically b/c you probaly just break it in half and drink it wih some OJ or something lol. if your going to try and get high off that then at least break that shit into a moster ass line, and get your friend to video record it with some cool music in the back ground. then you can look back onto it and realize how cool you really are!!!  hey hey i think i just planned your next friday night  :dancing:




Wow man, way to be a total asshole. i was just saying, i don't think amphetamines or many other stimulants cause impotence - i'm quite sure it's actually the other way around; with exception (of course) to those that have vascoconstrictive properties, but as i understand it, most amphetamines don't.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Dango_Bill]
    #7811493 - 12/29/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

wtf are you talking about? all amphetamines that act similar to the meth/ amphetamine drugs are vascoconstrictive

And the same sympathetic nervous system stimulation that causes vascoconstriction causes impotence.

"The predominant effects of the sympathetic innervation of the lower urinary tract in man are mediation of contraction of the bladder base and the urethra and inhibition of the parasympathetic pathways at spinal and ganglion levels. Sympathetic tone also mediates the contractility of smooth muscle fibres in the prostatic stroma, and it has an important role in maintaining the penis in a flaccid state and in ejaculation."
See: http://www.nature.com/pcan/journal/v2/n4s/abs/4500367a.html

"n the presence of mechanical stimulation, erection is initiated by the parasympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system (ANS) with minimal input from the central nervous system."
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erection


See also: http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/sex/erectile_dysfunction/ed.about.causes.drugs.htm

Maybe you're taking issue w/ the term impotence, as you feel this only applies to a chronic condition? Provide some sources for your statements.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7812269 - 12/30/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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johnm214 said:
wtf are you talking about? all amphetamines that act similar to the meth/ amphetamine drugs are vascoconstrictive

And the same sympathetic nervous system stimulation that causes vascoconstriction causes impotence.




In SWIM's opinion if your junk works all right then the increased blood pressure makes your dick rock hard and the psych effects make you last forever and finally blow damn hard.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: fastfred]
    #7812327 - 12/30/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

of course, most people have problems w/ the other end of things, lasting longer till orgasm, so some amphetamines are helpful for that, I'm sure

same thing w/ reports of people taking ssri's for premature ejaculation


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: johnm214]
    #7812685 - 12/30/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> same thing w/ reports of people taking ssri's for premature ejaculation

Except that effect only lasts for awhile until you adjust to the meds, then when you go off them you're stuck being a two pump chump for at least as long as you got the initial benefit.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: fastfred]
    #7813294 - 12/30/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just like "hits like acid" Damn, acid 'hits' so hard, esp when you snort it or smoke out of a crack pipe. I just smoke some acid and then cruise the streets in my 64 and bus a cap any muthafuckas who be stepping yo.


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7814814 - 12/30/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
I just like "hits like acid" Damn, acid 'hits' so hard, esp when you snort it or smoke out of a crack pipe. I just smoke some acid and then cruise the streets in my 64 and bus a cap any muthafuckas who be stepping yo.



"it smells like acid in here, are you kids smoking acid?"


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Re: 'Designer' drug hits like acid, but isn't illegal; Canada [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7852011 - 01/09/08 01:48 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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PilzeEssen said:
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Divided_Sky said:
I just like "hits like acid" Damn, acid 'hits' so hard, esp when you snort it or smoke out of a crack pipe. I just smoke some acid and then cruise the streets in my 64 and bus a cap any muthafuckas who be stepping yo.



"it smells like acid in here, are you kids smoking acid?"




LOL, thats too funny .

and for the person that wrote "just buy some meth"
your saying UNRELIABLE clandestine produced meth is bettter than taking adderall?

your dumb. > :eatadick:


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