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Offlinekidaihuan
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How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL
    #7763904 - 12/15/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Are they cheaper?

Is it legal to sell a diamond as a blood diamond?'

I'm buying an engagement ring and I'd like a blood diamond for it.


A lot of you'll think that's really wrong, but it's no worse than buying some dope or drugs from a gangster, etc.

I'm also polling to see what others think. I like polls.
Is this wrong?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (12/15/07 10:32 PM) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll



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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7763913 - 12/15/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

can you tell me what "blood diamonds," are? i'm a retard.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: zSDMF]
    #7763918 - 12/15/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Watch Blood Diamond the movie:thumbup:


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7763923 - 12/15/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Considering how fucked up it is in most of Africa, I would say that it doesn't really matter. People kill each other over money, doesn't mean I'm gonna stop using it.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7763925 - 12/15/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i don't really wanna watch a movie to understand a thread
google here i come


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7763937 - 12/15/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why would you specifically want a "blood diamond"?


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7763950 - 12/15/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

By the time diamonds reach the retail market where you could purchase them they are all mixed together. There is no telling where your diamond comes from by that point. I'm sure most "blood diamonds" are lost in the trade before cutting/polishing ever even takes place.

And besides....
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JackthaTripper said:
Why would you specifically want a "blood diamond"?




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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7763953 - 12/15/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

dont ever tell ppl 2 watch that retarded movie
and who the fuck cares why the diamond was sold
like id buy drugs off a terrorist
like if he has good products then w.e thats how the free market worx


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: zSDMF]
    #7763963 - 12/15/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Blood diamonds aka Conflict diamonds.

Basically a few countries in West Africa are funding their civil wars using money made from slaving poor locals and kids in diamond mines.

Without the money these despots make from the diamonds they would not be able to finance their war and hundreds of thousands of people would not die. The money goes straight to buying guns, ammo, mines and crack for the 9 year old kiddie soldiers.

You're basically saving money and paying the difference in dead african kids.

Think about it, every time you look at the ring you'll know why it is you got it cheaper. One day you'll be better off and regret that you (or her) could have been that materialistic. I would get her a smaller legit stone and tell her that you took a stand and didn't get her the blood diamond. She'll understand.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: Coaster]
    #7763966 - 12/15/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the only way to take advantage of the cheapness of "blood diamonds" is to be part of the consortium that controls the mines that produce them.
in market they are all the same.
same with every other commodity in the world.
except Chinese goods... those are always cheap.... and the result of plenty of human rights violations and standards infractions also.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: Coaster]
    #7763979 - 12/15/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why are most people saying it is ok, then I'm getting 50% of the voters telling me it's fucked up?
Voice your opinions!

As for why I would want one...

Well, the movie was decent as far as I remember, plus it may be cheaper and overall it'd be kind of cool to know that people kill for your diamonds.

It's like patriotism, but with diamonds. Patriots think it's cool to fight and die for your country. How can this be more fucked up than fighting and dying for Bush?

Maybe that's over simplifying it though...


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7763986 - 12/15/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think she'd mind the fact that it was a blood diamond... may like it.

Plus, it feeds the Africans. Can't have wars if the people don't have food. So it MUST be feeding them too.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7763996 - 12/15/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

From what I understand, most of the "blood diamond" conflicts have ceased for now. As for specifically looking for one, shame on you, you sick bastard.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7764045 - 12/15/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's not really good energy for the relationship.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: DonkeyShell]
    #7764073 - 12/15/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It's not really good energy for the relationship.




Depends how you think of it. Could be an "I'd kill for you" thing. No?

On a side note about relationship energy, I was talking to my mother recently about the engagement ring and she said that her husband bought an engagement ring from his sister for $300. His sister's husband bought it for $1500.

The sister had got divorced before my mom's husband bought the ring from her. So it was a divorce ring.

Not only did the relationship fail, but before they divorced, my mom's husband and their first born child died.


For her second marriage she bought a wedding dress from a divorced bride. That marriage also failed.


She still tells me she didn't mind that they were from divorced marriages, she didn't think it matters. But history shows otherwise.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7764082 - 12/15/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Depends how you think of it. Could be an "I'd kill for you" thing. No?



More like "I'd support senseless murder for a shiny rock."


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7764090 - 12/15/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



Here's the ring I picked out for her, by the way.

It's 0.57 carrots, white gold band... Diamond is decent. No visual imperfections.

She's got small hands, so it won't look that small. Haha.

It's the most I can afford, at $2000 online. From Blue Nile.


EDIT.

This is with the diamond I had chose. It's not a blood diamond.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7765665 - 12/16/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well I can see going to the store and not specifically caring where your diamond comes from, but to deliberately set out to support such a violent cycle isn't romantic at all. It doesn't say I would kill for you, it says I value useless stones over human life. Talk about free market economics and the way of the world all you want it doesn't make it right.

There are plenty of other common goods that we buy that contribute just as much to human suffering. Oil, chocolate, coffee etc. It doesn't necessarily mean that by boycotting these goods you can stop injustice, you can't.

But if you knowingly buy blood diamonds or sweatshop garments from a dealer whose only goal is profit for destruction, that makes you partly responsible. It's not "cool" it's not just the free market, it is contributing to a cycle of violence that you don't need to.

Just my opinion, but it seems like you have a pretty juvenile outlook on the whole situation, and it's not admirable.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7765739 - 12/16/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Buying blood diamonds perpetuates the misery in some of the poorest, war-torn regions of the Third World.

Knowingly setting out to buy blood diamonds is to willingly make yourself a part of the crime.

It's a good way to curse your marriage.

You weant to give your woman the best. The best is not the product that was produced under the most atrocious conditions. Thats warped thinking.


Besides.. 0.5 carats, white gold (I'll assume gold/palladium alloy but since you said carrots, check if it's actually Platinum)

To me it seems a tad high in price to pay $2.000 for that ring. For a relatively simple ring (no offense) of possibly palladium with a 0.5 carat stone it seems a bit excessive. What grade and clarity is the diamond?


EDIT - I don't mean to diss your ring, but it isn't extensively crafted, that's what I'm saying.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7765849 - 12/16/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Why would you specifically want a "blood diamond"?




Because nothing says I love you like Liberian Death Squads.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7765854 - 12/16/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But, if it's good enough for Pat Robertson, then it sure as hell is good enough for your loved ones. :laugh:


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7765875 - 12/16/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah..what grade is the diamond? that is quite expensive for a ½ carat...let alone just white gold. you can find maybe a VS2 k-m with a platinum 950 setting for the same price.

if the grade is vs or vvs colour d-j then it's worth it.

my husband bought me a typical "american" engagement ring with a diamond with a tiffany setting plus an eternity wedding ring. it's not very common in europe to buy girls rings with diamonds as an engagement ring (usually just a promise/wedding ring that's a solid gold band) and sometimes i get people staring at my hands. it's quite annoying - but it's what he gave me, though, i would be simply happy with a regular wedding band.

it's interesting to see how much research he did in regards to buying my ring - he knows quite a bit about colour, clarity and cut of diamonds. he made sure that both my engagement ring and wedding ring came with GIA certificates for the diamond. but, i suppose cause I come from the US, he felt that he needed to get me something "acceptable."

i've read threads about how you want to buy your gf an acceptable engagement ring and although i think that you're jumping into marrying her quite quickly (though this has nothing to do with this particular thread), i think that it's a bit lame of you to WANT to buy a blood diamond (although many have already said in here it's virtually impossible to know whether or not it is - unless of course you work for debeers or you're part of the trading in the 1st tier). many of the people who do mine for diamonds have no choice - it's a bit of a retarded comparison with patriotism and dying for your country...they're dying cause they were probably held at gun point to help mine for these diamonds.

well whatever floats your boat really.

you're in china right? cheap diamonds can be found in hong kong or beijing...just buy a diamond by itself with a certificate and then buy a cheap setting.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7765918 - 12/16/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

quit your whing all this chinese shit we buy is made by 10 year olds who probably work more hours than some of you are even awake.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: boO]
    #7765926 - 12/16/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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yeah..what grade is the diamond? that is quite expensive for a ½ carat...let alone just white gold. you can find maybe a VS2 k-m with a platinum 950 setting for the same price.
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if the grade is vs or vvs colour d-j then it's worth it.





Wow, diamonds really ARE a girl's best friend :awesome:


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: Asante]
    #7766029 - 12/16/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i'm actually not really fond of diamonds, but my sister and mother are. throughout my life i've heard them talking about clarity, cut and colour along with what the price range should be, where to get good deals on a legit diamond with certificate, etc, etc...i also have some diamond dealers in my family.

sometimes i have to hear my sister yap about jewelry :grin: now SHES decked out with diamonds...i think on her body she wears about 10 karats in total. too extravagant and retarded in my opinion but whatever floats her boat.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: boO]
    #7766093 - 12/16/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Buy her the One Ring of Power.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: fapjack]
    #7766177 - 12/16/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

im with you on this. money passes everyones hands daily blood or not nobody seems to care.

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Considering how fucked up it is in most of Africa, I would say that it doesn't really matter. People kill each other over money, doesn't mean I'm gonna stop using it.




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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7766182 - 12/16/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

there is no way of telling


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7767738 - 12/16/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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kidaihuan said:
It's 0.57 carrots, white gold band... Diamond is decent. No visual imperfections.






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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: ivi]
    #7768103 - 12/17/07 01:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, it's not that I'd want someone to die over the diamond.

I'm not sure. Maybe it's more of I'd rather buy a poor diamond knowing it than buy a poor one thinking it's good.

It's basically my policy to shop for fakes in China, since everything is and if you buy a real thing, it's a fake that costs more. So maybe I kind of carried that over to the diamond.

Diamonds are not overpriced in Hong Kong, but they may switch it out for a glass one, and the prices are supposed to be better in the US. Most diamond sellers make a 100% profit, but this website has been noted for making 30-40%.

Buying diamonds in China is not cheap and it is a big no-no for scams and the like.

I'm going to check the stats... hold on.

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These are from Blue Nile, an online store recommended by pretty much everyone for price and quality.

Ok, here's what I picked out.

The ring is a 18 karat white gold ring. The cheapest ones were $300 and this one was one of the most expensive $650 ones (we both liked it best). To get it in platinum was $1200+. I read a lot and decided platinum wasn't a better choice. The width is 2.5mm
http://www.bluenile.com/product_details.asp?filter_id=1&oid=7329

The diamond is as follows. (I'm making comments beside some)

Carat weight: 0.56
Cut: Ideal (Near top of the line, sparkle is my priority)
Color: F ('Colorless')
Clarity: SI1 (Not the best, but no visual imperfections)

Depth %: 61.8%
Table %: 55%
Symmetry: Excellent
Polish: Excellent

Girdle: Medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Strong blue (Mmm... blue shiny)
Measurements: 5.29 x 5.33 x 3.28 mm (width is 2x the width of the ring)


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7768573 - 12/17/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

OK, I just gave your specs a whirl at an Antwerp diamond house and got this out of it:


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ROUND SHAPES
0.50ct
F color
SI1 clarity
$2.726/ct
$1.363/stone






So they say the stone alone ought to fetch $1.363 in Antwerp, a tad more as yours is 0.06ct bigger, so lessay $1.500 in Antwerp. The weakest link here would be the SI1 clarity which drags the stone down a bit.

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The ring is a 18 karat white gold ring. The cheapest ones were $300 and this one was one of the most expensive $650 ones (we both liked it best). To get it in platinum was $1200+. I read a lot and decided platinum wasn't a better choice.





Hehehe actually platinum would be ideal (utterly discoloration-proof and non-alloyed) but with a price difference like that I respect your decision :grin:

Is the white gold a Silver/Gold or Palladium/Gold alloy? If the former I advise the latter as Pd/Au would potentially stand the test of time much better, as hopefully your marriage will :heart:
Many jewelers in Europe are switching from Ag/Au to Pd/Au for white gold as it's better and needn't be that much more costly.

According to my sources you're not being had on the stone :birthday: but check if indeed the stone has no naked-eye imperfections to speak of. If your SI1 was a generously appraised SI2 it would be a pity of an otherwise impressive stone. On the other hand, for white gold your ring seems a bit high in price.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: Asante]
    #7768601 - 12/17/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, woops. Sorry about not posting the diamond's price.
The diamond price is $1,314.00.

As for platinum being ideal.. probably, yes. But even though it doesn't change color, it is hard to repair and it does become a grey color.

The white gold one can change color a bit, but can also be repaired (and color returned) for a very cheap price.

I'm not sure what the alloy is. I've already looked, but I can't find it anywhere on the website.

I agree the ring is expensive, but we liked it best.

Even if it is SI2, they usually shouldn't have visible imperfections. The I grade is when they start showing.


Will buy soon. Got her ring size tonight. Size 5.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7768714 - 12/17/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it's wrong if you simply want a blood diamond to express disdain for the regulation of the diamond trade.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7768760 - 12/17/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

still wouldn't buy an SI1 for that price. plus, there are ways of knowing if a diamond is real or not...but yeah whatever it's up to you

PS - youre getting ripped off


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: boO]
    #7768892 - 12/17/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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still wouldn't buy an SI1 for that price. plus, there are ways of knowing if a diamond is real or not...but yeah whatever it's up to you

PS - youre getting ripped off




Got a better place I can get a diamond like this for a better price?

Fuck though. I just found out that the website doesn't send to China and I can't pay for it to be sent to Canada with a 10% off discount (I didn't mention before). And once it is in Canada, I still have no way to send it here.

If I send it here insured, 20% customs duty. If I send it in some clothes and HOPE it doesn't get lost, no duty but I could be FUCKED. Probably going to go for the later.

Works with drugs (not my experience), easier with a diamond.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7768903 - 12/17/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What I meant was.

The American site offers coupon usage. The Canadian one doesn't. The American site only allows orders from within America.

Once I order from the more expensive Canadian site (prices as posted here) then I have to pay shipping in Canada (American site offers free) then I have to send it to China and pay that shipping, and possibly insurance and duty if I didn't want to risk it.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7768944 - 12/17/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Man...I'm so lucky that my girl doesn't dig diamonds!

They are a total waste of money, if you ask me (or her). Much better spending your money on something that has real scarcity.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: undergrounder]
    #7768967 - 12/17/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Blood diamonds aka Conflict diamonds.

Basically a few countries in West Africa are funding their civil wars using money made from slaving poor locals and kids in diamond mines.

Without the money these despots make from the diamonds they would not be able to finance their war and hundreds of thousands of people would not die. The money goes straight to buying guns, ammo, mines and crack for the 9 year old kiddie soldiers.

You're basically saving money and paying the difference in dead African kids.




You don't know this. They are bad people and will find ways to kill each other if you buy the diamond or not. If they don't have guns they just use machetes, which I think would be worse. You can't stop evil people from making evil decisions, it's just not your battle.


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7769156 - 12/17/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

In a previous post...i said that you can get good deals on diamonds from beijng or hong kong. if you're worried like you said about people switching it with glass, then take precautionary measures in ensuring you get a legit diamond...even doing a simple test like scratching it against glass or checking under a magnifying loop can ensure you get a real diamond.

there is somewhat a "diamond district" within the jewelry district in hong kong. take your initiative on finding a place where the dealers won't screw you over. but usually if they offer a certificate with the stone you purchase, then it's for sure legit


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7769893 - 12/17/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'd go with what BoO says 100%. If she says you're getting ripped off, you probably are.


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If I send it here insured, 20% customs duty. If I send it in some clothes and HOPE it doesn't get lost, no duty but I could be FUCKED.





20% customs duty.. wow :frown: Get a real one in Hong Kong like BoO said. As to customs duty, the finger of a rubber glove comes to mind.

If a blood diamond strikes you as romantic, you might as well do the blood diamond thing, and that's put the diamond in the finger of a rubber glove, tie it to a tiny package, swallowing it in the midst of a small no-fat meal and popping an Imodium on the way to the airport.

You don't have to tell your wife that you retrieved her shiny gem from your own poo after the flight, but it's a far more romantic thought to have gone to these lengths to get your love a 20% better diamond, than to have gotten 20% off on a conflict diamond tainted by the misery of others.

If I was your wife I'd find it romantic you did that for me :yesnod:

A tiny rubber package with a 0.5 carat diamond inside? You might as well challenge them to x-ray you on the airport, it will go entirely unnoticed.

You could take a million dollars anywhere in the world by popping some carat pills :smile:


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: Asante]
    #7770008 - 12/17/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that actually reminds me of a show called madventures here in finland...at the end of the series the guy who was going around the world paid for his whole trip with a flawless diamond he got in either africa or asia..i've forgotten.

he had a doctor pull it out from the inside of his upper arm :p


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Re: How to buy blood diamonds? also POLL [Re: boO]
    #7771550 - 12/17/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I found out that it isn't possible to send it legally with duty.

It is actually ILLEGAL to send gold or diamonds through the Chinese postal system.

So at least now I don't feel cheap for wanting to avoid the duty.

I would of course just put it in my bag and carry it with me, but the problem is that I'm not going to China and I don't know anyone who is. So unless I decide to entrust it in some random person I meet online, that's not an option.

And no, I will not purchase a diamond in Hong Kong. Although Hong Kong pays no duty on the diamonds and gold they import, they do not exactly pass t his savings onto the buyer. Prices in Hong Kong are so inflated. I'd hate to have to buy it there.

That and the fact that I don't know I'm getting a good deal, plus the fact that I still have to import it into China (but on my person) and it costs me about $150 to go to Hong Kong and $10 a night to sleep, plus $10 a day to eat, at the very very least.

On top of that I would have to get a new visa when for when I come back to China.

And as for Beijing. I can travel there and back really uncomfortably for $30 and could probably find an illegal guest house for $5 and eat pretty cheaply, but the problem remains that they are notorious for switching out the diamonds and inflating prices. Especially for foreigners. A lot of the certificates are fake or switched. Everything is fake here.

And no, she doesn't need a diamond ring and definately not the cost, but I already showed her the picture when we chose the ring and plus she's going to wear this for presumably the rest of her life, so I'm going for quality here.

And if it got lost in the mail, she'd marry me anyway and understand that I was an idiot.


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