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veda_sticks
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H202 - stop using it in everything!!!!
#7762241 - 12/15/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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After reading and probably answering far too many posts where h202 has come up and being used in water, humidifiers misitng bottles.
Stop it!!
h202 does more damage to mushroom mycelium than other moulds.
Dont mist with water/h202
Dont inject h202 into lcs
Dont use h202 in an lc solution.
Dont put it in your humidifier
The only effective use of h202 is to fight cobweb.
SO, IF YOU HAVE COBWEB - H202 OTHER THAN THAT DONT USE IT
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: veda_sticks]
#7762879 - 12/15/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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but what will i replace h2o2 with!!?
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veda_sticks
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: elnico]
#7762893 - 12/15/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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nothing you dont need it!!!
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: veda_sticks]
#7762984 - 12/15/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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and why?
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blood4blood
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Vyrk]
#7763020 - 12/15/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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how will i survive without H2o2?
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: blood4blood]
#7763065 - 12/15/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peroxide in LC, how about just using sterile procedures
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: BUDDHA_702]
#7763349 - 12/15/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i used it to moisten up my perlite is this ok or dont use it at all?
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: kupa trooper]
#7763393 - 12/15/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Makes good mouthwash.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Premedman1]
#7763410 - 12/15/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so thats a no
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: kupa trooper]
#7763910 - 12/15/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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there is also a paper made from a mycologist about the use of the peroxid in the mycology.
http://www.mycomasters.com/Peroxide_Manual.html
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Nibin
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Vyrk]
#7764289 - 12/16/07 12:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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He gets very patchy results and a high failure rate. Peroxide isn't a alternative to good sterile technique.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Nibin]
#7764486 - 12/16/07 01:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why don't use it in a humidifier? It keeps the water nice and fresh...or so I thought?
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Pentahedral]
#7764552 - 12/16/07 01:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you put H2O2 on zits that you have just popped and then a suitable antibacterial agent you mind not end up with the pockmarks i have.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Pentahedral]
#7764629 - 12/16/07 02:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pentahedral said: Why don't use it in a humidifier? It keeps the water nice and fresh...or so I thought?
Because it will decompose in no time and become water and stop having an effect.
It also causes people to be lazy and not clean up their humidifier as often.
Also, peroxide sanitizes doesn't sterilize. Different concepts.
Another also. Pharmacy peroxide is diluted to 3% (97% water). By adding it to the water in your humidifier you are diluting it even more. So you really think that such a small amount of peroxide is going to help¿?
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Nibin]
#7764725 - 12/16/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My humidifiers get less scum without peroxide. It has little other use in myclogy besides cobweb control. In fact, that's all I use it for anymore. RR
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7764818 - 12/16/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So... Why not use H202 in complement with all the sterile techniques or to combat contam?
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Vyrk]
#7765027 - 12/16/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because if your technique is sterile, there is no need to do anything more, as everything is sterile.
Nearly sterile isn't sterile at all.
And peroxide is used to combat contaminations, to combat cobweb once it has appeared.
But misting regularly with peroxide is just submitting the mycelium to stress unnecessarily, weakening it and making it more vulnerable to actual contamination.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Nibin]
#7767073 - 12/16/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah ok, but why all the: "Not use peroxide!!!", "We support the war against the peroxide" or "In peroxide we not trust"??...
I mean, ok, it will cause damage and stress to the mycelium, but also it will be useful... very useful.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Vyrk]
#7767130 - 12/16/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea, very useful to fight cobweb and clean your mouth.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: djcube]
#7767263 - 12/16/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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h202 got a big boost about 5 years ago when people starting saying that it killed cobweb. So everyone started using it in everything. People would put it in there agar, humidifires, perlite, mist bottles. I was never a big fan of it
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: tahoe]
#7767628 - 12/16/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah H2O2 has only one place in this hobby.. and thats for cobweb..
Sharpen your sterile procedure and all points where you MIGHT get contams, when your fruiting your sub will contam with age.. sometimes sooner.. no reason wasting time and energy with h202!!
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: djcube]
#7767797 - 12/16/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
djcube said: Yea, very useful to fight cobweb and clean your mouth.
or your ears
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Grogan]
#7768364 - 12/17/07 06:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grogan said: Yeah H2O2 has only one place in this hobby.. and thats for cobweb..
Sharpen your sterile procedure and all points where you MIGHT get contams, when your fruiting your sub will contam with age.. sometimes sooner.. no reason wasting time and energy with h202!!
exactly, exposing them to h202 could weaking the mycelium enough to let contams in.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: veda_sticks]
#7768568 - 12/17/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, now that we are growing shroom in a media which naturally it never can grows (like seeds or other things), we don't have to use peroxide?...
I think that we can use it for whatever we want, the only thing we have to be care is to use it properly.
Now, what is properly is the trouble here. But there is no motive to say: "NO USE PEROXIDE" without knowing in what should you use it.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Vyrk]
#7768738 - 12/17/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I theorize that if you have a container with water that uses a bubbler stone, inside your terrarium, then you could add a bit of h202 into the water to increase the amount of oxygen in the air.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Fraggin]
#7768993 - 12/17/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried that. My O2 meter didn't budge, not even 1/10th of 1 percent. The same thing was observed when peroxide, even in high concentrations was added to a humidifier. The O2 released into the air by peroxide is negligible. RR
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: veda_sticks]
#7769362 - 12/17/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My personal opinion only from experience and not to be harsh. Peroxide is to kill spores in a substrate. You rinse the shit out with clean water!! Get it! If you are adding it to agar it's ok as long as it is in the right proportions. You do not add it to sterilized stuff other than that and I do rarely use it in agar myself. It is like cleaning your counter top. You spray it down and wipe it off. Thats it!! We are not feeding h2o2 to anything but spores.
Edited by lipa (12/17/07 12:29 PM)
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7769708 - 12/17/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I tried that. My O2 meter didn't budge, not even 1/10th of 1 percent. The same thing was observed when peroxide, even in high concentrations was added to a humidifier. The O2 released into the air by peroxide is negligible. RR
I was basing my theory on using H2O2 in an aquarium to increase disolved oxygen content in an emergencey.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Fraggin]
#7771648 - 12/17/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also im thinking in use H202 to introduce oxygen in the LC cultures.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: Fraggin]
#7771711 - 12/17/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Fraggin said:
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: I tried that. My O2 meter didn't budge, not even 1/10th of 1 percent. The same thing was observed when peroxide, even in high concentrations was added to a humidifier. The O2 released into the air by peroxide is negligible. RR
I was basing my theory on using H2O2 in an aquarium to increase disolved oxygen content in an emergencey.
I used to study chemistry, and so far as I know, the rules for a gas dissolved in a liquid don't really apply to liquids suspended in air. Also, a fish probably has a very different respiration process than a mushroom. Just an idea, and I'm new, but this is the little input I can give.
Plus, RogerRabbit's trial and error would agree.
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Re: H202 - stop using it in everything!!!! [Re: HThomas]
#7772275 - 12/17/07 11:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never stopped to think the difference between fish gills and mushroom gills.
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