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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Helpme1]
#7761700 - 12/15/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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helpme u put it pretty well i concur with ur whole post
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Helpme1]
#7761714 - 12/15/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think we are using different definitions here.. I'm talking about clinical addiction: If you are clinically addicted to a substance you will try to get the substance as soon as the effects fade or as soon as you possibly can.
You are talking about addiction as something that is hard to quit doing or makes you feel bad when you aren't doing it. That is not a clinical addiction.
(I admit my description isn't the exact definition of a clinical addiction, there is a list of requirements that needs to be filled for something to qualify as addiction and the list is disputed. I disagree with several of the requirements.)
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Helpme1]
#7761726 - 12/15/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I myself find it a bit stressful or straining to stop smoking pot. But I don't find myself craving it ever. Coffee on the other hand. I could kill for it when I'm withdrawing(as I have a physical and psychological addiction to it).
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Nalim]
#7761729 - 12/15/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't mean to single your post out, but you don't know how many times people use the arguement "well you can even get addicted to chocolate, therefor, weed isnt addictive." in every day real life
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Helpme1]
#7761748 - 12/15/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not using that argument because that isn't an argument. Chocolate contains caffeine and other xanthines, which are both psychologically and physiologically addictive. THC does not activate the reward systems(at least not in the same direct sense) and does not trigger physical withdrawal symptoms. That is why I don't wish to call it addictive. But: anything that makes you feel good or removes anxiety has some addiction potential as prolonged changes of signal substance levels changes the receptor expression in reward centers. Because of this Weed could be somewhat addictive. So is physical training and playing instruments.
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Helpme1]
#7761760 - 12/15/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm addicted to weed. This much is a simple fact, and I'd be a child to deny it.
However, I know that if I were to stop smoking weed today, the only difficulty would be in my mind. There is no "withdrawal," only clearheadedness. This is what "psychological addiction" means, and it's a whole different stack of cards than the addiction to hard drugs.
I continue to smoke though. It's ironic how the knowledge that it's more or less physically harmless makes it so much easier to abuse.
I agree with (some of) your points, WS, but I don't think I'll be quitting my habit very soon. The money thing does stick, but I love my reefer.
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Edited by Tchan909 (12/15/07 01:11 PM)
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u do get withdrawls from weed u cant eat u cant sleep all u can think about is lighting up ur head doesnt feel normal, ur body doesnt, nothing does
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Coaster]
#7761783 - 12/15/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I went on a trip to Tennessee over the summer. Now know that I smoke every day, usually 3-5 times. But in TN I didn't get the chance to smoke at all for nine days. I'm not going to deny I wished I could light up pretty often, but I didn't have trouble sleeping or eating. I felt pretty ok most of the trip, it was overall quite fun, then when I got back home my tolerance was in the gutter. Good times.
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well good 4 u ima go drink some kratom
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Tchan909 said: However, I know that if I were to stop smoking weed today, the only difficulty would be in my mind. There is no "withdrawal," only clearheadedness. This is what "psychological addiction" means, and it's a whole different stack of cards than the addiction to hard drugs.
No it is not. psychological addiction is a result of acquired dopamine insensitivity.
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Nalim]
#7761887 - 12/15/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The dope nowdays is really strong. Even though tolerance builds.
When one smokes weed it makes one feel numb and good.
That numb and good feeling is addictive.
That's all there is to it.
To break that one must have some drive to break it.
I smoked weed until my lungs had the 'chronic cough' and I coughed until I got migraines. I spent 800 bucks on KB a month. Yep, 120 every five days. All that said, I still miss the ease of anxiety. The flavor of KB. Trying different kinds. Hanging with stoners and sharing the buzz. I am addicted. I always will be. I am glad I cleaned up though because I can feel again. Also, living the 'herbed life' makes one out of touch and weird. I say it from the inside and from the outside.
Stoners I know simply cannot function without it. I hate to preach since it makes little difference, but saying weed isn't addictive is patent nonsense. Whole nations are addicted and that doesn't mean it's correct.
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: eve69]
#7761898 - 12/15/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey eve preach all u want cuz it DOES make a difference that nun is riding my dick off
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Nalim]
#7761902 - 12/15/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nalim said: No it is not. psychological addiction is a result of acquired dopamine insensitivity.
How does that work?
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Coaster]
#7761924 - 12/15/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have known people who were very dependent on pot to the point that it really interfered with their functioning. I used to work for a guy who ran a recording studio who would smoke like 3-6 bowls a day out of a three foot glass bong. He would always lose sight of things and then overcorrect and freak out whenever he ran out of weed. I ended up getting laid off because he never had any clients which I think he could have been much more proactive in finding.
I do think it can be addictive, in the sense that the more I smoke the more I want to. But the flip side is it isn't hard to stop and the less I smoke the less I want to. Lately I've averaged once every 2-3 months and a while back I quit smoking for a year and a half so I'm not just making this up. It isn't hard for me to moderate, but it may also be my personality. Sometimes I'm just not that interested in pot, and most often I just don't have the time.
On the other hand there are prohibition warriors who will claim that any defense of marijuana at all is a sign that you are addicted and defending your addiction. That is straight bullshit. I would argue most people who use pot are not addicted and plenty of people use it in an intelligent way that is not abuse. It certainly has it's benefits IF you acknowledge there are downsides as well.
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Helpme1]
#7761943 - 12/15/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is great. Stoners should read this. Whoever says weed ISN'T addictive is a stoner or biased 99 percent of the time.
EDIT: I am not saying it can't be used responsibly, I am saying it can easily lead to addiction
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Nalim said: No it is not. psychological addiction is a result of acquired dopamine insensitivity.
How does that work?
Supposedly all addictions operate on the dopamine rewards pathway. Pleasurable activities release dopamine in the so-called rewards center, which I believe is in the Thalumus. If you over-stimulate the reward center enough the neurons down regulate to compensate and you become more insensitive, requiring more stimulation to feel the same amount of pleasure.
This is just as true with sex, love, food, excercise and music as it is with pot, cocaine or speed. However, stimulants tend to release ALOT of dopamine so they are considered to have a stronger addiction potential.
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: Divided_Sky]
#7761968 - 12/15/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not to mention excessive music use won't lead you to a burnt out life...
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Re: Quitting weed abuse - an email I just wrote. [Re: PoisonedV]
#7761990 - 12/15/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dunno, I used to be more addicted to video games than I am to pot now. Can that cause acquired dopamine insensitivity too?
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Pretty good post, but the addicting side of marijuana is very subjective from person to person, we all know it is simply not a hard drug to quit. ... compared to many other substances, hell coffee is probably harder to quit than weed.
However, its easy to get attached to it and like it as part of a routine. I have thought for a while the ideal routine would be smoking herb 1-2 a week, like on the weekends. I dont have the discipline to do that yet, nor do I really care. I dont smoke everyday, but do about 3-4 a week depending. After college its going to be either NO smoking or like once a week max.
I have "quit" before and didnt touch it except once in a 2 year period then started up again about a year ago... I dont think this stuff is hard to drop... just gotta have a bit of will power I suppose
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Yeah. You're right on. That is exactly the thing I'm talking about. Playing video-games makes your brain release dopamine in the pleasure centers. The brain can regulate how strong your dose response to dopamine(or any signal substance) is. The tendency is to try to keep the response at your normal level.
Nucleus accumbens is believed to be one of the most important centers when it comes to addiction, this is mainly GABA output neurons but the input is mostly from dopamine. The system is very important for cocaine and amfetamine addiction, but also for opiate and caffeine addiction.
Video games affect the reward system much stronger than cannabis and is therefore more psychologically addicting.
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