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Is LSD making a comeback?
#7760977 - 12/15/07 05:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is LSD making a comeback?
12:31 AM CST on Saturday, December 15, 2007
By Brad Woodard / 11 News http://www.khou.com/news/state/stories/khou071214_ac_lsd.16125720.html
It is a place where young people go to expand their minds and explore new horizons, but authorities say for one University of Houston student, that didn’t necessarily involve textbooks or lectures.
“It’s sad,” defense attorney Candelario Elizondo said. “It’s sad that he’s in jail, because no matter what happens now, even if he’s completely exonerated on this offense, he’s still going to have straight F’s for this semester because he couldn’t take his final exams.”
He is first-year chemical engineering student Clarke Denton, and he’s currently in the Harris County jail in lieu of $1.5 million bond. Police said $1.5 million is the street value of the LSD he sold an HPD operative last week on campus.
“I’ve been in narcotics for 15 years, and I’ve only run across it two or three times,” HPD Narcotics Officer Mark Boyle said.
Officer Boyle works in HPD’S undercover unit. He said it makes him wonder if there’s a resurgence of the drug.
“It definitely brings us back kind of retro,” Harris County Assistant District Attorney Marcy McCorvey said. “It’s something we have not seen in this area of late.”
KHOU-TV
HPD said the droplets would then be put on Altoids or Sweet Tarts.
The mere mention of LSD conjures a flashback, if you will, to the times of former Harvard professor turned drug guru, Timothy Leary.
“In the future, it’s not going to be what book you read, but which chemical you use to open your mind to accelerate learning,” Leary once said.
In its heyday back in the ‘60s, LSD was often distributed on blotter paper and divided into small squares decorated with cartoon characters. But Denton was allegedly selling it in liquid form – 155,000 doses of it.
“I’ve been a prosecutor for 16 years, and this is the first time I’ve ever had an LSD case this large,” McCovey said.
That many doses may sound like a truckload of LSD, but in reality it can be contained in a few Visine bottles, like the ones police said they took from Denton. Droplets from those bottles would then be placed on Altoids or Sweet Tarts and sold for $10 a piece, police said.
“You could have it in your pocket without people really noticing,” Dr. Edward Poa said. Dr. Poa is a psychiatrist with Baylor’s Menninger Clinic. He said despite HPD’s bust, LSD use is on the decline.
“The last study is from 2007,” he said. “About 3 to 4 percent of young adults coming out of high school have tried it, so it’s been cut down to about a fourth of what it was just in the last few years.”
“The ones using it now are the kids: 16, 17 years old; college kids, gothic kids, Officer Boyle said. “I’m told by my informant they’re starting to use it at clubs.”
“As the rates of use have gone down in the last 10 or 15 years, the one piece of data that is concerning, the public perception of the dangers of LSD has gone down in the last 10 years,” Dr. Poa said.
As for Denton, police said he wasn’t involved in the making of the drug and that he was the middleman for an out-of-town supplier.
The reason he started selling, according to police: He wanted to be able to buy a laptop computer.
“An extremely intelligent kid — chemical engineering student,” Officer Boyle said. “Once I interviewed him, he was just a normal kid.”
A normal kid facing a minimum of 20 years in prison if convicted
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: johnm214]
#7761052 - 12/15/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, gothic kids all use acid
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: Ego Death]
#7761073 - 12/15/07 07:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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But Denton was allegedly selling it in liquid form – 155,000 doses of it.
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That many doses may sound like a truckload of LSD, but in reality it can be contained in a few Visine bottles, like the ones police said they took from Denton. Droplets from those bottles would then be placed on Altoids or Sweet Tarts and sold for $10 a piece, police said.
First of all, no, this is not even possible. 155,000 doses is 15.5 GRAMS of crystal LSD. That is not the equivalent of a few visine bottles, even if they were super-super-fucking concentrated. That is a vial or two of pure crystal, which would likely be made into about 15,000 vials like the type the kid had. Just think about it. The kid had two visine bottles (~100-200 drops). If there was really 155,000 doses in those two bottles, each drop would be equivalent to about 4 sheets. I really doubt he's selling 4 sheets worth of acid on a fucking sweet tart for $10 a pop.
How can cops even say stuff like this? Is somebody holding 155,000 doses really gonna be selling single hits for $10 a piece? No. Someone with access to that much weigh is going to be selling grams of crystal, or tenpacks at the LEAST. And they sure as hell aren't going to be doing it so they can "save up for a laptop." I mean honestly, the cops claim this kid managed to acquire half a million dollars worth of LSD but he couldn't scrape together $1000 to buy a laptop?
Obviously this kid is just getting fucked. They probably weighed the solution and assumed it was pure LSD (even though obviously it was very dilute, like all liquid meant for consumption must be) and based the quantity of hits on that weight. Makes me never want to fuck with liquid again. I'll stick to the blotter paper where at least it's obvious how many doses I have...
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: skroomadoom]
#7761150 - 12/15/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSD is definitely making a comeback, I plan on dosing sometime during my winter vacation to Colorado. I brought 3 with me and have a beautiful mountain/sky to scintillate my mind See you on the hill!
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: outhere4]
#7761183 - 12/15/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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its baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: johnm214]
#7761213 - 12/15/07 09:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It never really seemed to 'go away' in my town. Maybe I just have good hook ups, but I usually have no trouble getting LSD when I want it. Thank god for that!
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: LSDaytripper]
#7761276 - 12/15/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im envious of you daytripper. Ive managed to grab it once.. and it was weak
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: skroomadoom]
#7761364 - 12/15/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Beat me to it, I knew that the fabricated this story when I read it on bluelight. No one is moving that much acid on liquid, in a college. At that level you are selling grams, or maybe even books, but not selling drops out to random people at your school. Cops are really fucking stupid.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: fapjack]
#7761390 - 12/15/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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dipshit shouldnt have sold it to someone HE DOESNT KNOW!! especially that much. that kids an idiot.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ultimo101]
#7761391 - 12/15/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gothic kids? Really? I'm mean really and truely? Are all the kids with dyed black hair and matching hoodies really going: "I'm so non conformist, I drop acid" No their not. The media doing what it does best; Sensationalisssssm. Lets also not forget, why would this kid sell 155,000 doses to a stranger, on campus? Taking a page from Skroomadoom, if this kid knew how to aquire 1.5 million dollars worth of Cid, odds are he also knew how to sell it. But no, he had all those hits and was carrying them with him, with the intent of staying out on that corner till all 155,000 doses were sold damnit. Did they mention that the tip off was that he had 10,000 rolls of sweet tarts on him? This happened down in my hometown too. And no no no, it most definatly is not "on the decline" as some Clinc Doctor clearly stated.... Come on he's a doctor! Of course he's right guys. Please Does anyone actually remember that fucking quiz they gave us at the end of high school... That "Have you done this drug" "How often" "How easy was it to get" I filled that thing out stoned outta my eyeballs, and was all paranoid they'd trace the check marks back to my handwritting somehow. So I hadn't ever done any drugs, no sir. My parents gave me a glass of Champagne one new years, but I didn't like it, no sir. To quote Brody from Jay and Silent Bob Strike back: "Here's the pulse. And heres your finger, far from the pulse, jammed straight up your ass"
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#7761401 - 12/15/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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most readily availible drug in my area
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: johnm214]
#7761429 - 12/15/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think its ever gone away. It just went underground. Yeah, that kid is an Idiot. He will probably snitch on his supplier.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: marz13]
#7761456 - 12/15/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hahahahahahaha. Gothic kids? Hahaha. Wow.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: Syntaxerror]
#7761792 - 12/15/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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for being a narcotics officer of 15 years he sure isnt to smart to think all them doses could be in a couple visine bottles...
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: tical41689]
#7761821 - 12/15/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there some way to write in evidence to the kids attorney so he can present that in the trial?
Or is it one of those situations where you'll get 20 years no matter how much acid you have?
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ApJunkie]
#7761836 - 12/15/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow 20 years,,,, here in canada one of my old acquaintances got 5-15 for hacking someone up with a machete
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: benrules92]
#7761944 - 12/15/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I stopped doing it years ago right when the availability went down. prolly 2002ish
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: johnm214]
#7762044 - 12/15/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The police are giving sentences for jail time. Not a judge or jury.
Thank god they don't.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: skroomadoom]
#7762085 - 12/15/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't fuck with blotter either, they count the weight of the paper as the weight of the LSD too. The safest way is actually to sell pure crystal, as that's the only time you'll get the right amount of time for your dose
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Find a regular hook up Buy however many your eating then
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#7762485 - 12/15/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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“I’m told by my informant they’re starting to use it at clubs.”
Smart guy!
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#7762487 - 12/15/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow it's only a high court misdemeanor in my state for possession.
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Crystal is very rarely over 90%, so you can't even dose that accurately unless you use a GCMS on it before hand. I don't think selling crystal is any safer than selling paper, the only people that have crystal are high up on the food chain.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#7762721 - 12/15/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSD is starting to be used in clubs? I doubt that...when you're trippin hard on acid you don't want to be around crowds...it makes it seem like there's hundreds of demons around you.
And when they charge a guy for this shit, they weigh out the entire container the dose is in, as well. It's bullshit. The visine containers weigh probably 50 times as much as the liquid that's in them. That's where the police got their supposed 155,000 figure from. It's total bullshit...you can go to jail for a quarter of your life for holding no more than 100 doses...this kid is fucked by the system and he will never have a normal life. It's so stupid...if God existed, I bet he'd be pissed. It's the same deal with picking mushrooms. Yeah, we all know LSD fucks you up hard, but it does not have a high risk for abuse, everyone that does LSD doesn't do it that often...maybe a couple times a year on average. The ones that do it more often are just dumb and frying their brains, but seriously, I've never met an irresponsible person tripping on LSD. They're always at one location, with a friend or two, with food, shelter, warmth, away from guns, and whatnot. Who has ever heard of the guy who decided to drop 'cid before he drove??? I haven't.
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I eat acid all the time when I goto clubs.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: fapjack]
#7762742 - 12/15/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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are you sure that's what you're getting? lol.
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No, I don't. Then again I am not sure that any drug I did was actually the drug sold, I mean it is possible that its all a conspiracy. More than likely though, the shit I've been taking for the past 11 years has all been LSD.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: johnm214]
#7762977 - 12/15/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have to agree, I think it is. Just yesterday a good friend of mine I hadn't seen for a while was down my way visiting and partying and he said next time he comes down he'll bring some "trips". I asked him what they were and he said LSD... He told me it was relatively easy to get hold of around here (I live in Australia) which was a surprise because from what I've heard and read, it's not...
Anyways... I'm off to continue building my tree-house/pirate-ship.
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tyler_0_durden said: LSD is starting to be used in clubs? I doubt that...when you're trippin hard on acid you don't want to be around crowds...it makes it seem like there's hundreds of demons around you.
Yeah, we all know LSD fucks you up hard, but it does not have a high risk for abuse, everyone that does LSD doesn't do it that often...maybe a couple times a year on average. The ones that do it more often are just dumb and frying their brains, but seriously, I've never met an irresponsible person tripping on LSD.
wow... seriously man, ever consider that some people may not react the same way as you to a drug? some people may enjoy the atmosphere at a club whilst on acid. maybe they dont get as paranoid?
as for the second part of the post: i highly doubt you're in a position where you can tell how often people dose and it's complete bs.
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I've never met an irresponsible person tripping on LSD
i dont have anything against that part since you formed it in a way to leave a possibility open for there to be people who don't use it responsibly.
i dunno man your whole post is just very narrowminded. not cool.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#7763374 - 12/15/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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meh synthetics scare me... i only grudgingly accept prescribed synthetics...
i say stick to the stuff u can grow in ur basement
all i really need is the green
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Zinglons Acolyte said: meh synthetics scare me... i only grudgingly accept prescribed synthetics...
i say stick to the stuff u can grow in ur basement
all i really need is the green
Calling LSD a synthetic is narrow minded. Its made from the ergot fungus, and LSA can obviously be found in HBWR seeds and morning glories. There's a reason it doesn't feel like an RC.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: g00ru]
#7763650 - 12/15/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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no there isn't
It is synthetic, unless you change the definition of that term to something unrecognizable.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: g00ru]
#7764130 - 12/15/07 11:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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guruu said:
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Zinglons Acolyte said: meh synthetics scare me... i only grudgingly accept prescribed synthetics...
i say stick to the stuff u can grow in ur basement
all i really need is the green
Calling LSD a synthetic is narrow minded. Its made from the ergot fungus, and LSA can obviously be found in HBWR seeds and morning glories. There's a reason it doesn't feel like an RC.
lysergic acid amide and lysergic acid diethylamide are clearly 2 different substances if my memory suits me lsd is way more visual and about 100x more potent than lsa lsd is purely synthetic (it doesnt come from a plant), while lsa is produced naturally in seed of certain plants and in fungus in fact it would even be very impractical to synthesize lsd from lsa i have no problem with lsa, its when humans start mucking around with the structures of molecules that i lose my enthusiasm
i wouldnt make a claim unless i was reasonably sure that what i say is fact
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#7764365 - 12/16/07 12:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I want some lsd... it only comes around every couple months.
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Well, in essence I do agree with you, but let me pose you this question; Do you consider honey to be "natural?" Bee's make honey like it's their job, because it IS their job. A hive of honey bees in the spring will make a ridiculous amount of honey, and it will be practically ALL they do for a full month. The purpose of bees is to make honey, and according to many famous philosophers (Such as Socrates, Wilson etc) our purpose on this planet is Rational Thought. We're the only species on the planet that's capable, and every single acheivement throughout our history has stemmed from our ability to rationally analyze the situation and make the decision we deem best. LSD is merely a chemical that we've learned to slightly alter using our ingenuity and gained skills. It occurs naturally in the form of a fungus, Ergot, but is fatal to humans if ingested. So, using the tool that we recieved (from where ever you believe we came from) we used our intelligence to remove the fatal part while keeping most of the effects (namly the ones that don't kill you).
So yes, it's technically synthetic by definition, but would you say it's not natural?
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: ApJunkie]
#7765169 - 12/16/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Calling LSD a synthetic is narrow minded...?
wtf, I love LSD, but it is a synthetic. Not all synthetics are built alike, and many natural (edit: naturally derived) molecules can be synthesized. LSD isn't as harsh as many synthetics, but it cannot be found in any life form.
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ExplosiveMango said: Calling LSD a synthetic is narrow minded...?
wtf, I love LSD, but it is a synthetic... not all synthetics are built alike, any many natural molecules can be synthesized... LSD isn't as harsh as many synthetics, but it cannot be found in any life form (except post ingestion...).
Any life form that we know of on this planet. It probably does exist somewhere on Earth in a natural form, we just haven't found it yet. LSD of course also exists in large quantities out in the universe. The 'natural' arguement is ridiculous.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: robbyberto]
#7765616 - 12/16/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSD is synthetic...that's why it is better! Some chemicals come from the earth below, and some from the realms above.
I think there aren't alot of people grinding to 50 Cent In Da Club on acid, but if by "club" people mean psytrance parties or raves it happens all the time. Actually 1-1 1/2 hits is probobly better than anything else I've found for psy/burner/techno/break events kinds of happenings.
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Re: Is LSD making a comeback? [Re: robbyberto]
#7765710 - 12/16/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The fact that we only have LSD through means of synthesis means it is a synthetic substance by definition.
Why does that offend people? haha...
When did I say synthetics were unnatural?
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im just saying, nautually derived molecules (thanks for the clarification mango thats what i meant) are more logical and safer in my opinion, especially if you grow the plants yourself im not saying that once in a while its wrong to enjoy a synthetic substance, but i prefer to take the factor of human error during synthesis out of the equasion (plus it could be laced) the most i like to muck around is a simple solvent extraction (reagent grade)
i just like to stay away from synthetics and stimulants (except caffeine and its close relatives lol) because thats what feels best to me personally, its just my preference and to each his own, your body your risks
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