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Le_Canard
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Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.)
#7760471 - 12/14/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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(The Daily Telegraph)
Drug counsellors have blamed police for causing overdoses at a weekend rave held at a castle in a medieval theme park.
Users swallowed their drug stashes rather than risk arrest by police patrolling the event in the regional Victorian town Ballarat with sniffer dogs, drug education group VIVAIDS said.
VIVAIDS chief Damon Brogan criticised the 70-strong police presence at the Ultraworld Festival as "over-zealous" and demanded they stop hassling revellers.
"Confronted with such a police presence, some individuals are tempted to unwisely consume all their drugs in one go, rather than throw them away or risk arrest," Mr Brogan said.
"If police operations are increasing the risk of death and harm in the community, perhaps it is time to rethink."
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newlife
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Le_Canard]
#7760697 - 12/15/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There we go.
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LSDaytripper
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: newlife]
#7761221 - 12/15/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mr. Borgan sounds pretty wise.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: LSDaytripper]
#7761270 - 12/15/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Short, but an incredibly great article.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: SuperD]
#7761385 - 12/15/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Blaming police for this is stupid, its the users fault for eating their stash. Drugs are illegal, using them has risks, if you get caught complain about the laws not about the idiot that enforces the laws. Learn to stash your shit better, or just accept the risks of getting busted.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: fapjack]
#7761529 - 12/15/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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fapjack said: Blaming police for this is stupid, its the users fault for eating their stash. Drugs are illegal, using them has risks, if you get caught complain about the laws not about the idiot that enforces the laws. Learn to stash your shit better, or just accept the risks of getting busted.
What is the purpose of having police officers search an entire rave? To confiscate illegal drugs, yes, but fundamentally the policy behind the whole thing is to SAVE KIDS' LIVES/BRAINS. So if the tactics used to save lives and brains actually lead to more harm, the tactics should be, at the very least, criticized, yea? just logical I'd think...
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Noviseer]
#7761955 - 12/15/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Noviseer said:
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fapjack said: Blaming police for this is stupid, its the users fault for eating their stash. Drugs are illegal, using them has risks, if you get caught complain about the laws not about the idiot that enforces the laws. Learn to stash your shit better, or just accept the risks of getting busted.
What is the purpose of having police officers search an entire rave? To confiscate illegal drugs, yes, but fundamentally the policy behind the whole thing is to SAVE KIDS' LIVES/BRAINS. So if the tactics used to save lives and brains actually lead to more harm, the tactics should be, at the very least, criticized, yea? just logical I'd think...

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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: TripleTree3]
#7762204 - 12/15/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay I go to a rave every weekend and cops never have drug dogs there. So people are comfy around cops with their drugs hidden in their friends bra or down the pants..
I agree with Noviseer.. They should not enforce tactics if its not necessary.. The least they do here is stand outside, but there is a rule here where every organizer has to let under cover cops do there thing at every fifth party.. that part kind of sucks
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Dephect]
#7762437 - 12/15/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The police should be aiming higher up the ladder(not that I agree with the laws). Anybody can go into a rave and bust a bunch of kids with a few pills, what good does that do?
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fapjack
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Noviseer]
#7762500 - 12/15/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Noviseer said:
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fapjack said: Blaming police for this is stupid, its the users fault for eating their stash. Drugs are illegal, using them has risks, if you get caught complain about the laws not about the idiot that enforces the laws. Learn to stash your shit better, or just accept the risks of getting busted.
What is the purpose of having police officers search an entire rave? To confiscate illegal drugs, yes, but fundamentally the policy behind the whole thing is to SAVE KIDS' LIVES/BRAINS. So if the tactics used to save lives and brains actually lead to more harm, the tactics should be, at the very least, criticized, yea? just logical I'd think...
A police officer's job isn't to keep us safe. Its to enforce the laws. If they really gave a shit about people's wellbeing, then they wouldn't be arresting people for simple possession in the first place. Cops are not your friends, my parents taught me that when I was still a little kid.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: fapjack]
#7762549 - 12/15/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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and yet our taxes pay those cops. i think in my life time i've gotten more shit from cops then help from them. and i'm sure most of you feel the same.
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Dephect




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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Groomies]
#7762563 - 12/15/07 05:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are good cops and there are dick cops.. Unfortunately there are more dick cops then good cops.. But Ive been pulled over in Denver with a oz of herb and he found it and literally said "I dont care about this, as long as you dont have hard drugs."
But yeah a lot of them are dicks..
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Dephect]
#7762674 - 12/15/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If that was an oz of coke I bet your opinion of him would have been different.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: fapjack]
#7763048 - 12/15/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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coke destroys people though. oz of herb... as long as you're not smoking it whilst driving, you're not harming anyone.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: SapphireCat]
#7763727 - 12/15/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drugs don't destroy anyone, people destroy themselves with drugs.
There's a line between use and abuse that is very walkable if some restraint and willpower are involved.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Skeeblix]
#7763748 - 12/15/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Skeeblix said: Drugs don't destroy anyone, people destroy themselves with drugs.
There's a line between use and abuse that is very walkable if some restraint and willpower are involved.
I completely disagree. But I'm a recovering addict, so I guess I'm biased. I'm guessing you're not an addict.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: monstermitch]
#7764032 - 12/15/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree.. personal responsibility has to come in somewhere.. If that oz was some blow instead of herb I would have been fucked.. But I dont buy coke so I will prolly never have it on me
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Skeeblix]
#7765542 - 12/16/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Skeeblix said: Drugs don't destroy anyone, people destroy themselves with drugs.
There's a line between use and abuse that is very walkable if some restraint and willpower are involved.
Sufficient education and experience previous to use is also an important factor.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Le_Canard]
#7765811 - 12/16/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"If police operations are increasing the risk of death and harm in the community, perhaps it is time to rethink."
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: monstermitch]
#7767060 - 12/16/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm an addict to and I totally disagree with what you are saying. I knew exactly what I was getting into before I got strung out, I got strung out because I didn't give a shit and I wanted to be high 24/7.
Also, knowledge of drugs won't stop you from getting a habit, a quick look on bluelight will prove my point.
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Dephect]
#7768451 - 12/17/07 07:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dephect said: Okay I go to a rave every weekend and cops never have drug dogs there. So people are comfy around cops with their drugs hidden in their friends bra or down the pants..
I agree with Noviseer.. They should not enforce tactics if its not necessary.. The least they do here is stand outside, but there is a rule here where every organizer has to let under cover cops do there thing at every fifth party.. that part kind of sucks
sounds like 21 jump street starring johnny depp
so they hypocritically let the kids take drugs on 4 of the raves and bust people on the 5th?
usually the organizers run the raves and the drugs so im sure the big guys selling are being tipped off about the 5th party and theyre only busting the buyers and quick buck dealers that have no clue
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Dephect




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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: alphabeatu]
#7769665 - 12/17/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah man unfortunately the ravers are not.. Ive seen a girl ask a guy for some pills and the guy turned out to be a undercover threw her up against the wall and hand cuffed her.. But we just count down and I have a rule where Ill only ask people with candy and binkys if they can get some illys..
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alphabeatu
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Re: Police Blamed for Overdoses at Rave(AUS.) [Re: Dephect]
#7769924 - 12/17/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i bet they were gungho and laughing about the kids swallowing the shit in fear of their great presence,its the way they are
cops really hate men who dont quake in their presence because they know if any man in the world would kill them it would be those kind
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