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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: yageman]
    #7759979 - 12/14/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

just 2 let u no when u get caught with blotters
they determine ur sentence based on weight not quantity of blots
so i wouldnt recomend thick paper boyo


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: Coaster]
    #7760095 - 12/14/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thats funny.
I wouldnt recommend using paper at all in this situation.
Id use candy, because im not stupid enough to try to lay blotters with the average liquid out there these days.

As far as weight and getting busted, I dont think thats true at all.

The amount of lsd is quite relavent, not the candy or paper you use.

The weight of the hits wont hold up in court, even if its candy.

The laws are fucked, but thats just not true when it comes to a person who is about to go to jail and is actually doing their part by defending themselves.


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: yageman]
    #7760157 - 12/14/07 09:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

getting liquid would be a blessing...

But it might also suck....what if they are weak ass liquid hits?

you could end up dropping 5-10 drops on on a single candy to make a single "hit"

I don't know a ton about liquid but you have to trust your source on this one, it could be a extra potent godly super vial, and it could also just be a vial full of water and nothing else :frown:


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: yageman]
    #7760186 - 12/14/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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yageman said:
Thats funny.
I wouldnt recommend using paper at all in this situation.
Id use candy, because im not stupid enough to try to lay blotters with the average liquid out there these days.

As far as weight and getting busted, I dont think thats true at all.

The amount of lsd is quite relavent, not the candy or paper you use.

The weight of the hits wont hold up in court, even if its candy.

The laws are fucked, but thats just not true when it comes to a person who is about to go to jail and is actually doing their part by defending themselves.




Actually the sentencing commission determined that you take the carrier weight (blotter) multiply it by .4 and thats the number of "doses" you have which is then calculated into time you should serve. It's fucked but it's the way it is.


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: sirbojangles]
    #7760252 - 12/14/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

why are you trying to bring LSD on an airplane? Is it just so you can transport it cause they don't allow liquids on the plane, or is it because you want to dose on the plane? Cause dosing on the plane would be dumb as hell.

Do like everyone is suggesting, and put it on some sweet tarts. It's not that big of a decision.


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: yageman]
    #7760288 - 12/14/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

yageman said:
Thats funny.
I wouldnt recommend using paper at all in this situation.
Id use candy, because im not stupid enough to try to lay blotters with the average liquid out there these days.

As far as weight and getting busted, I dont think thats true at all.

The amount of lsd is quite relavent, not the candy or paper you use.

The weight of the hits wont hold up in court, even if its candy.

The laws are fucked, but thats just not true when it comes to a person who is about to go to jail and is actually doing their part by defending themselves.




Source?

You are wrong


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: wireless]
    #7760299 - 12/14/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The sentencing commision only has power as authorized by statute. The actual statute defines the weight of the LSD as the weight of the mixture or substance containing ad detectable amount of LSD. So add one drop of solution into Lake Michigain, you get the biggest LSD bust ever, as defined by the statute.

At least at one time, the sentencing commision was actually sane, and had different rules taking quantity of LSD into consideration, but they don't matter when they conflict with the law.


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: johnm214]
    #7760333 - 12/14/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Similarly, in Chapman v. United States,67 the Court held that the
weight of the blotter paper or other medium in which doses of LSD
are stored should count in determining whether a defendant is subject
to a mandatory minimum sentence for “distributing more than one
gram of a ‘mixture or substance containing a detectable amount’” of
LSD.68 The Court found the phrase “mixture or substance” unambiguous
and rejected the dissent’s narrower interpretation even though
the holding led to seemingly illogical results.69

http://www.harvardlawreview.org/issues/119/june06/note/new_rule_of_lenity.pdf


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: johnm214]
    #7760350 - 12/14/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i've also read numerous court cases where the charge for possession of lsd was determined by the total weight of the substance and the carrier of the substance, whether it be blotter, gels, whatever.


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: derx]
    #7760378 - 12/14/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

he Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 and the Sentencing
Guidelines require that the combined
weight of the LSD and its carrier medium be
used in calculating the total weight of the drug
for sentencing purposes
A. Sentences for LSD offenses are based on the
gross weight of the drug and its carrier
medium, not the net weight of the pure
drug
B. LSD-infused blotter paper constitutes "a
mixture or substance containing a detectable
amount" of LSD
C. Neither the rule of lenity nor the canon of
construing laws to avoid unconstitutionality
applies in this case
II. Congress acted rationally in including the
weight of LSD carrier mediums for sentencing
purposes
A. A convicted defendant does not have a "fundamental
right" to have the courts at sentencing
reassess the appropriate penalty for
his crime
B. Including the weight of an LSD carrier
medium does not violate the Due Process
Clause by making the defendant's sentence
hinge on an arbitrary factor
C. Including the weight of an LSD carrier
medium as part of the statutory "mixture
or substance" does not render the statute
unconstitutionally vague


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: Coaster]
    #7760405 - 12/14/07 10:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well,

Thats more fucked up than I could ever have imagined.

Consider this a reality check for me.

I stand corrected.

Id fight that bitch of a "statute" in court.

Thats just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard, aside from afew grey areas in the book of corrupt US law.

Still if you were busted with 100 candies instead of 100 blotters, you cant tell me that you cant make waves when taken to court.

Thats a pretty slutty law, and thats a good example of why laws change because of court cases.

To fuck with the books means you have offset the structure of the law, and that happens from time to time.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: yageman]
    #7760409 - 12/14/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

yageman said:
Well,

Thats more fucked up than I could ever have imagined.

Consider this a reality check for me.

I stand corrected.

Id fight that bitch of a "statute" in court.

Thats just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard, aside
from afew grey areas in the book of corrupt US law.

Still if you were busted with 100 candies instead of 100 blotters, you cant tell me that you cant make waves when taken to court.

Thats a pretty slutty law, and thats a good example of why laws change because of court cases.

To fuck with the books means you have offset the structure of the law, and that happens from time to time.




How are you going to fight it? The arbitraryness/ due process argument has merit, imo, as the law is insane in its applications, but the court has allready ruled on it. Seems like a done deal to me.

and the law is perfectly clear, just stupid


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: yageman]
    #7760411 - 12/14/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well yageman if u really think u can win in court
read this
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1995/1995_94_9088/argument/
it is indeed some1 who is fighting the courts with the same mind as u
and he lost
they documented the entire case if u want 2 read ur furture of wining this case lol


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: Coaster]
    #7760462 - 12/14/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

what if you taped your blotter to a helium ballon?


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7760465 - 12/14/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

no, it doesn't change the mass


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: johnm214]
    #7760468 - 12/14/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i was joking...:sad:


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: Coaster]
    #7760499 - 12/14/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ive never known of anyone who has been busted for lsd

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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: Coaster]
    #7760503 - 12/14/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just think thats the dumbest shit ever, and I would do my best to win in court.

Weight doesnt mean anything and any lawyer can expose that truth to the judge and jury.

I dont care about what legal precedent came before.
You dealers may be the next ones who fuck up their system.

Thats shit just doesnt work, and if you get busted, then thats your only way out of the hell hole and the only way to set precedent.

Im just saying, someone is going to change that bullshit around.

The law aint all bullshit.

You cant be charged for selling candy.
The weight has nothing to do with it unless its all bullshit.

Myself and my lawyer would set precedent.
Unless "they" broke the well defined rules..

Logic rules, no matter how you cut it.

3 grams of lsd, will never equal 3 grams of paper in court unless you dont invest your time into defending against your own probable sentence dictated by a bunch of cheaters.

Even in the US, you cant cheat the people sometimes.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: yageman]
    #7760517 - 12/14/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

u obviously didnt read the entire court hearing
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1995/1995_94_9088/argument/
it was in 1995 thats pretty recent to think u can change things
i read the whole thing and it shows u wont win lol
but if u ever do fite in court ill r00t 4 u yagebuddy


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Re: Type Of Paper For LSD [Re: Coaster]
    #7760561 - 12/14/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So you would prefer the judges do whatever is convieniant rather than what the law is? The precedent is not the issue so much as that it is inline with the reading of the law. The law is bullshit, but it is very clear. Drop a blotter paper in your bathtub you've got a mandatory minimum right there.

The only reasonable argument is the due process claim, but that was expressly rejected.


"Logic rules, no matter how you cut it."

So what is the logic in saying the law defines what you have as being subject to ten years in jail, minimum, and you saying that it doesn't? What is your argument, where is the logic?


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