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What is Ego death?
    #7758268 - 12/14/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I actually don't know anyone who regularly takes psychedelics, but from what I've read, there is the possibility of knowing oneself or even their spirituality. What exactly is meant by this? Is there something that you realize or see?

Also is this something that is better experienced than talked about?


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7758308 - 12/14/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Basically, everything about you is destroyed.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: archenemy]
    #7758315 - 12/14/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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archenemy said:
Basically, everything about you is destroyed.




This sounds somewhat negative, by destroy do you mean rebuilt? I'm already a nihilist anyway.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7758338 - 12/14/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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archenemy said:
Basically, everything about you is destroyed.




This sounds somewhat negative, by destroy do you mean rebuilt? I'm already a nihilist anyway.


You'll know what ego death is when it hits you in the face like a brick... Better off finding out for yourself because the explanation cannot truly be made with any words


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7758347 - 12/14/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that is a very good question, and think its a great idea to discuss it.

so i looked it up...
2. Psychoanalysis. the part of the psychic apparatus that experiences and reacts to the outside world and thus mediates between the primitive drives of the id and the demands of the social and physical environment.


so my best explanation of 'ego death' induced by psychedelics is a state of completely losing touch with sober 'reality.' in my experience an intense trip (especially a first one) causes a sort of enlightening knowing by experience that reality at any given moment is primarily just from the combination of your limited senses and the chemicles (be it foreign or from the body) in your blood.

my first trip i found myself very fasinated with how every species has there own different senses and thus sees reality very different. (some day i'd like to make a sort of video game that allows the player to choose different animals and roam the virtual reality with the perception of the given animal)


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #7758348 - 12/14/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I would think of it as this: Everything you thought you knew to be right, you now question and doubt, even actions in your own life. Ego loss has nothing to do with rebuilding, thats something you have to do separately once you realize your entire life has changed.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: SurReality]
    #7758351 - 12/14/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that definition is for 'ego' btw


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #7758368 - 12/14/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Is it possible to shed your ego over time with low doses? if so then that's what happened to me. I always thought it was a more dramatic experience induced by high doses. if it's just a drastic change in the way you think and perceive then it's not that big of a deal.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: SurReality]
    #7758401 - 12/14/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i didnt really understand that but it seemed pretty crazy like if it was a scary trip somthing bout loosing reaity of how u think, somthing like that could u explain more clearer


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7758414 - 12/14/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well you can't shed you ego permanetly, your ego is who you are - an ego death is a state of mind, the lasting part is having the experience under your belt. like a lose of virginity or learning to swim, it broadens your limitation and/or gives a new perspective.

people have the idea that an ego is bad, because of the word 'egocentric' which is selfishness. selfishness is bad, but self is needed.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: shroomials]
    #7758417 - 12/14/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

An ego is a control wielding agent. I think ego death can only be achieved in a level 5 psychedelic experience.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Grylls]
    #7758448 - 12/14/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think an ego death could be achieved without drugs, and would be much more real and meaningful- by means of meditation. i've heard meditation is actually considered potentially dangerous, but much safer than drugs obviously because if things get scary you can just stop at will.

i never really had the patience for meditating by find it and eastern philosophies pretty interesting (taoism, buddhism, and such)


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Grylls]
    #7758451 - 12/14/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I think ego death can only be achieved in a level 5 psychedelic experience.




I don't think that fucking scale has anything to do with it.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: shroomials]
    #7758480 - 12/14/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i didnt really understand that but it seemed pretty crazy like if it was a scary trip somthing bout loosing reaity of how u think, somthing like that could u explain more clearer




i don't quite understand what you asking, but i've never had a bad trip (nothing as bad as anxiety attacks on weed) but things usually get difficult or scary(especially on shrooms) at some points during the trip. but if you feel you've lost touch with reality that would be an ego death, it just that not everyone handles this state well...


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Re: What is Ego death? *DELETED* [Re: SurReality]
    #7758637 - 12/14/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: soulcircus]
    #7758670 - 12/14/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've killed my ego a few times. Each time resulted in me exploading out of the top of my head and expanding infinately onto the world.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: nolongerinuse]
    #7758709 - 12/14/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

death is the wrong word. dissolution is more like it. with the proper dose and focus one can leave the confines of the body whrere the ego resides as a psychological survival mechanism. the ego illusion is what makes you feel separate from the rest of the universe. the ego is the illusion.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: dshroom]
    #7758763 - 12/14/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so is it ok to do shrooms man u guys are making me worried


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7758800 - 12/14/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if you have ANY doubts stay away from all drugs.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7758841 - 12/14/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

imo its losing all touch with reality and sort of forgetting who you are, accompanied by a feeling of oneness with the universe.
maybe having no controll over whats happening in your head during the peak of an intense trip and general confusion about everything.
i can promise you (from experience) 18g dry will do it to ya.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: CrazyEarl]
    #7759040 - 12/14/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ego loss is one of the craziest and most meaningful things you could ever experience, but for some, it can be earth shattering.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: danlennon3]
    #7759189 - 12/14/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the term isn't something concrete, just as "ego" isn't concrete.
it's not tangible or measurable, but it's all referencing something we can agree we experience, which is a sense of control, and the sense of losing that control, a sense of centrality to the sourcing and experiencing of your feelings, to a sense of losing that centrality and expanding, imploding, changing into a state where theres seems to be a more chaotic nature to experience, however in this chaos of experience, there is a witnessing of inherent orders of our universe that are usually gone unobserved in a normal state.

imagine yourself at a party where a large group of people are being wild, and you are thrown into thier slurry of fun, tossed around, crawled on, picked up touched talked and yelled at and what have you, theres no real control, or at stages you feel like you become part of just the energy of the whole mass...this is moderately what a trip can be like in its essence, except instead of a party of folks it could be the very natural structures and growths of the world, and there can be not so much a contacting of spirits and thought streams, but a becoming of them, as if they possess and move through you, thier speed and property overwhelming, creating feelings of being "more real than real".
After such an experience, and you seperate yourself from the barrage of pulsating interexchange with reality, you realize alot of the petty small minded games you were probably playing before tripping, basically what I realized was that a good trip is a microcosm of a really well lived life, many lessons can be learnt from its experience and applied, its all a matter of interpretation and effort.

To take psychedelics, you are willing to transform, for these experience can move into your soul quickly, with alien dexterity, and once there most panic before they let go, but if your in a solid, sacred and safe place to trip, with loved ones or alone, let go of that fear, let it race through and out, let the voice of another world leap into you, whatever you fear losing will return to your consciousness afterwards, maybe not necessarily so valuble as you had thought, maybe more, but what you were before isn't lost, in as much as your shown something wildly different and it can be so powerful you know not changing with it would be foolish.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: dshroom]
    #7759317 - 12/14/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

my second trip, high dose of amazonian mushrooms. no visual effects but complete ego loss/death. I was stuck in a kind of loop of thoughs about our lives, we are born, we live, we die, and hten we start it all over again. I felt like life is run by this loop and theres no escape and no rest. I looked at parts of my body and i felt like im in some alien body, i didnt recall these parts being my own (they werent distorded by any visual way). Everytime i tried remembering anything about my life i couldnt, it seemed like every part of my life was an immagination of my mind, i dindt even remmeber taking the shrooms. it was very intense and it hit me so hard and fast, it was scary as hell scariest shit iv ever experienced in my life. its hard to explain in words, but its like your whole life seems like a lie and you feel like a complete lone entity of some sort.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7759472 - 12/14/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i, on the othyer hand felt connected to everything at once and it was wonderful beyonf=d description.. i am also sort of old and have much experience with my mind.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: dshroom]
    #7759821 - 12/14/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

it's when you stop being you, and start being everything.

and that alone is easily a simplified definition, that could be misleading. Ego loss is something one must personally experience. It defies any language.:peace:


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: spanky43]
    #7760074 - 12/14/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What is Ego death?



Spiritual transcedence to a higher level of experience,consciousness, or thought. Beyond ego,identity, and self,and leaving them far behind as you plunge into the psychedelic unknown. You'd have to experience it to truly know what it is.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: Robo]
    #7760183 - 12/14/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've been there a few times.

It's not somewhere i'd reccomend you going after. To much shit can go the wrong direction.


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Re: What is Ego death? [Re: spanky43]
    #7761038 - 12/15/07 07:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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it's when you stop being you, and start being everything.

and that alone is easily a simplified definition, that could be misleading. Ego loss is something one must personally experience. It defies any language.:peace:



succinctly and beaytifully said.


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