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Nibin
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PF Cake wait after full surface colonization. What it is really for.
#7757192 - 12/14/07 03:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, all this wait a week after full colonization before you birth thing.
When most people recommend doing this they say, give it a week so the inside colonizes fully.
I call BS on this. Mycelium doesn't grow in 2D, first along the glass, then towards the inside, it must grow in 3D. So by the time the mycelium has crept the 2 inches along the sides until it has reached the mycelium coming from the next inoculation hole, it will have grown two inches into the cake. And 2 inches from inside is way more than enough to cover the inside of the cake.
I myself have always (well not always but for a long while now) considered that extra week as necessary for the mycelium to consolidate it's hold on the cake and feed off it, not to colonize it any more.
If I am wrong please correct me, but if I am right, please spread the info and stop the misinformation from spreading.
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Re: PF Cake wait after full surface colonization. What it is really for. [Re: Nibin]
#7757359 - 12/14/07 06:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im no expert.. (one day ill stop saying that) but that sounds plausable.
Once colonized, the myc needs to finish consuming the cake and "organizing" the nutrients in to whatever it needs.
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Re: PF Cake wait after full surface colonization. What it is really for. [Re: Slimz]
#7757361 - 12/14/07 06:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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sounds plausible.
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Re: PF Cake wait after full surface colonization. What it is really for. [Re: ewikk055]
#7757362 - 12/14/07 06:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've also heard of a lot of people not waiting long enough, only to chop a poorly performing cake in half later to find the middle is not colonized.
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Re: PF Cake wait after full surface colonization. What it is really for. [Re: bhamlaxy]
#7757394 - 12/14/07 06:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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By the time it has covered all the outside it is most likely colonized the inner part, but I always just give it extra time so I'm positive the inside is ready.
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Re: PF Cake wait after full surface colonization. What it is really for. [Re: SMOKEnCHOKE]
#7757507 - 12/14/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not saying the extra week in the jar isn't necessary, just that people give the wrong reasons for it to be done.
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Re: PF Cake wait after full surface colonization. What it is really for. [Re: SMOKEnCHOKE]
#7757510 - 12/14/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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For years, anytime someone would say to give an extra week to allow the center to colonize, I'd jump in and try to set the record straight, but I got tired of typing the same thing dozens of times for nothing, so now I only type it once a month or so.
When the outsides of a jar are fully colonized, the center will be also. There is far more substrate on the outside edge of the jar(because it has more area) than on the inside, so there's no way the inside would not be colonized as well.
The reason for waiting a week after full colonization is to allow the mycelium to consolidate its hold on the substrate. Until the mycelium digests some of the substrate it has colonized, it will not fruit. If you birth the day of full colonization, the week spent consolidating the hold, will be a week spent drying out the cake, thus making pinning harder and yields weak. If you wait a week after full colonization, pins often form within 48 hours of birthing/dunk and roll.
Here's just a few of many recent posts I've made stating the same thing. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7656057#Post7656057
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6856360#Post6856360
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6766280#Post6766280
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7499657#Post7499657 RR
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Re: PF Cake wait after full surface colonization. What it is really for. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7757529 - 12/14/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said: For years, anytime someone would say to give an extra week to allow the center to colonize, I'd jump in and try to set the record straight, but I got tired of typing the same thing dozens of times for nothing, so now I only type it once a month or so.
When the outsides of a jar are fully colonized, the center will be also. There is far more substrate on the outside edge of the jar(because it has more area) than on the inside, so there's no way the inside would not be colonized as well.
The reason for waiting a week after full colonization is to allow the mycelium to consolidate its hold on the substrate. Until the mycelium digests some of the substrate it has colonized, it will not fruit. If you birth the day of full colonization, the week spent consolidating the hold, will be a week spent drying out the cake, thus making pinning harder and yields weak. If you wait a week after full colonization, pins often form within 48 hours of birthing/dunk and roll.
Here's just a few of many recent posts I've made stating the same thing. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7656057#Post7656057
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6856360#Post6856360
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6766280#Post6766280
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7499657#Post7499657 RR
I remember you being one of the people that thought as I do, in fact the idea to make this post was caused by one of your answers (which popped up when I was doing a search).
Lets see if enough people read it and remember it
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